Sum & Angle of Three Vectors (College Physics)

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the resultant vector from three given vectors, including their lengths and angles. The problem involves vector addition and the determination of both the magnitude and angle of the resultant vector.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of calculating the resultant vector by breaking down the vectors into their x and y components. There is a focus on whether the subtraction of one vector's components is appropriate given the problem's context. Some participants suggest sketching the vectors to clarify their relationships.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the appropriateness of the vector subtraction and discussing the implications of the angles provided. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in calculations, particularly regarding significant figures and the angle determination method.

Contextual Notes

One participant notes they joined the course late and lack familiarity with vector addition, which may affect their understanding of the problem. There is also mention of a textbook that has not yet arrived, which could provide additional context or clarification.

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1. You are given three vectors of lengths A=65.7, B=38.4, and C=43.7. The angles are theta a=29.1 degree and theta b=57.2 degree, and C points along the negative y-axis. (a) Determine the length of the vector A-B+C. (b) Calculate the angle of this vector

2.
(a) Rx = Ax-Bx+Cx Ry = Ay-By+Cy
(b) R=square root of Rx^2+Ry^2

3.

Rx=(65.7cos29.1)-(38.4cos57.2)+(43.7cos270)
Rx=57.407-20.802+0
Rx=36.605

Ry=(65.7sin29.1)-(38.4sin57.2)+(43.7sin270)
Ry=31.95-32.28-43.7
Ry= -44.03

R=square root of 36.605^2+(-44.03)^2
R=57.26

The HW site says my answers are wrong. Please help me and let me know what I did wrong. My homework is due Saturday.
 
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bebe087 said:
(a) Rx = Ax-Bx+Cx Ry = Ay-By+Cy

If you draw your vectors on a scratch of paper coming from the same point (just a quick sketch, nothing too precise), and draw their X and Y components, solving the problem should be much clearer and obvious. Components in the same direction should work together, combining.

Your formula appears to be prematurely subtracting a force that may not necessarily be an opposing force.
 
Welcome to PF, bebe087 and Furby :smile:

Furby said:
Your formula appears to be prematurely subtracting a force that may not necessarily be an opposing force.

Yes, why are Bx and By being subtracted here? By convention, the description that "theta b=57.2 degree" usually means from the +x direction going counter-clockwise. Is there reason to think otherwise?
 
We're subtracting because that's the homework question as it was written by the instructor. I added this course late and do not know how to add vectors. I've ordered the textbook, but it hasn't arrived yet.
 
bebe087 said:
We're subtracting because that's the homework question as it was written by the instructor.
Okay, I missed that when I first read the problem.

I added this course late and do not know how to add vectors. I've ordered the textbook, but it hasn't arrived yet.
Looks to me like you have correctly added the vectors, by adding/subtracting x and y components.

It may be that you gave an answer with too many significant figures (the original vector lengths were known to the nearest 0.1). Also, what did you get for the vector's angle?
 
I entered 57.3 for part a and the answer was still wrong. I got -50.3°. Perhaps my calculations are wrong...do the equations look correct to you?

This is how I calculated the angle:
tanθ=Ry/Rx
tan−1(inverse tan)(Ry/Rx)
 

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