Sum of this geometric sequence doesn't make sense

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the sum of a geometric series defined by the expression Ʃ 2(4/3)^n from n=1 to 14. Participants are examining the application of the geometric series sum formula and questioning the correctness of their calculations and assumptions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to apply the geometric series sum formula but express confusion regarding the correct value of the first term (a) and the appropriate formula to use when the series starts at n=1. There are discussions about potential typos in the original problem statement and the implications of starting the summation at different indices.

Discussion Status

Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the definition of the first term and the correct formula for summation. Some participants have offered clarifications on the formula's application, while others are still questioning the initial setup and calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discrepancy between the calculated sum and the answer provided in the answer sheet, leading to discussions about the evaluation process and the assumptions made regarding the series parameters.

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Homework Statement



14
Ʃ 2(4/3)^n
n=1

Homework Equations



Sn=a(1-r^n)/(1-r)

The Attempt at a Solution



2(1-[4^14]/[3^14])/(-1/3)=330.74

However, the answer sheet gives ~441 as the answer, and I confirmed it by doing it by hand. Why is the equation not working? What's wrong?
 
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It_Angel said:
14
Ʃ 2(4/3)^2
n=1
I'm assuming that second 2 is a typo and should be an n.
\sum ^{14}_{n=1} 2(\frac{4}{3})^n

It_Angel said:
However, the answer sheet gives ~441 as the answer, and I confirmed it by doing it by hand. Why is the equation not working? What's wrong?
I believe the equation is working. a represents the first term in the series. In this case, what is a?
 
Yeah you got the typo.

Why is a not 2, as per tn=a*r^n?
 
The sum of a geometric series is defined as:
a+ar+ar^2+ar^3+...+ar^{n-1} = a\frac{1-r^n}{1-r}

If n started at 0, then a would be 2.
Since n starts at 1, in order to form a geometric series we must group it as following:
\frac{8}{3} + \frac{8}{3}(\frac{4}{3}) + \frac{8}{3}(\frac{4}{3})^2 + ... + \frac{8}{3}(\frac{4}{3})^{13}
 
It_Angel, you might not have put this together for yourself so I'll just mention it.

The reason the geometric sum

a+ar+ar^2+...+ar^n = a\frac{1-r^{n+1}}{1-r}

Is because we can simply factor out an "a" on the left side, and then if we compare both sides,

a(1+r+r^2+...+r^n)=a\left(\frac{1-r^{n+1}}{1-r}\right)

Clearly we can just divide both sides by "a" to get what the geometric sum (starting from 1) is equal to.

Anyway, the moral of the story is if you can't figure out what a should be, all you need to do is factor out some value such that the geometric sum inside the factor begins at 1, and then you know the value you factored out must be a. Or even more easily: Whatever the first value of the sum is, that is equal to a.
 
It_Angel said:

Homework Statement



14
Ʃ 2(4/3)^n
n=1

Homework Equations



Sn=a(1-r^n)/(1-r)



The Attempt at a Solution



2(1-[4^14]/[3^14])/(-1/3)=330.74

However, the answer sheet gives ~441 as the answer, and I confirmed it by doing it by hand. Why is the equation not working? What's wrong?

Two problems: (i) incorrect evaluation of result; and (ii) incorrect formula. We have
a \sum_{n=0}^N r^n = a \frac{1-r^{N+1}}{1-r},\\<br /> a \sum_{n=1}^N r^n = a \frac{r - r^{N+1}}{1-r}.
The formula starting at n = 1 is a bit different from that starting at n = 0.

Anyway, I get ##2 \sum_{n=0}^{14} (4/3)^n \doteq 442.9854833,## while ##2 \sum_{n=1}^{14} (4/3)^n \doteq 440.9854833.## I cannot get your 330.74 from either formula.

RGV
 

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