Graduate Summation Index Notation in the Transformation Equations

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The discussion revolves around the summation indices in Equation (7.118) of Thornton and Marion's book, specifically why both indices j and k are used instead of just j. Participants seek clarification on the introduction of the index k and the circumstances under which new indices are added. Additionally, there is a request for the physical interpretation of Equation (7.121), which is noted to be explained in the text preceding the equation. Some users express confusion regarding the summation results and ask for further elaboration on the interpretation for those without access to the book. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the mathematical notation and its physical implications in classical dynamics.
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In Chapter 7: Hamilton's Principle, in the Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems book by Thornton and Marion, Fifth Edition, page 258-259, we have the following equations:

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1. Upon squaring Equation (7.117), why did the authors in the first term of Equation (7.118) are summing over two indices ##j## and ##k##, and not over ##j## only? In other words, where did the index ##k## come from? Why do we add sometimes a new index and when do we do that?

2. What is the physical interpretation of Equation (7.121)?
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sams said:
why did the authors in the first term of Equation (7.118) are summing over two indices ##j## and ##k##, and not over ##j## only? In other words, where did the index ##k## come from? Why do we add sometimes a new index and when do we do that?

2. What is the physical interpretation of Equation (7.121)?
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As easy examples, calculate
$$\sum_j q_j^2$$
and
$$\sum_{j,k} q_j q_k$$
where both ##j## and ##k## run from 1 to 3.

sams said:
What is the physical interpretation of Equation (7.121)?

The physical interpretation of (7.121) is given in the words just before the equation.
 
George Jones said:
As easy examples, calculate
$$\sum_j q_j^2$$
and
$$\sum_{j,k} q_j q_k$$
where both ##j## and ##k## run from 1 to 3.

Thank you for your reply. Yes, I expanded the summations. The first one leads to three terms and the second one to nine terms, but I still did not get it why should we use two indices instead of one index!
 
George Jones said:
2. What is the physical interpretation of Equation (7.121)?
The physical interpretation of (7.121) is given in the words just before the equation.
For those of us who don't have the book, would you mind telling us what the words say, or showing. Thanks.
 
Carpe Physicum said:
For those of us who don't have the book, would you mind telling us what the words say, or showing. Thanks.
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