Summation involving von Mangoldt function

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The discussion revolves around the summation involving the von Mangoldt function, specifically the series defined as Sum{r=2 to infinity} (von Mangoldt(r)-1)/r. Participants explore the convergence or divergence of this series, engaging in technical reasoning and numerical experimentation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the series diverges, with one suggesting that \(\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} \frac{\Lambda(n) -1}{n}\) diverges based on the behavior of prime numbers.
  • Others challenge the claim of divergence, asking for proof and providing heuristic arguments related to the average behavior of the von Mangoldt function.
  • A participant notes that when \(n\) is a prime or prime power, the summation behaves differently, raising questions about the overall convergence when including non-prime values.
  • There is a suggestion that the summation could converge to a specific value based on numerical calculations, which indicates a potential contradiction with earlier claims of divergence.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of approaching the problem using the Zeta function, indicating an interest in exploring different mathematical frameworks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the convergence or divergence of the series. Multiple competing views remain, with some asserting divergence while others suggest the possibility of convergence based on numerical results.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on heuristic arguments and numerical experimentation, which may not definitively resolve the question of convergence or divergence. The discussion also highlights the complexity introduced by the behavior of the von Mangoldt function at non-prime values.

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Please help me in solving the problem,
find the sum
Sum{r=2 to infinity} (von Mangoldt(r)-1)/r



Your help is appreciated.
 
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do you mean [tex]\sum _{n=2}^{\infty} \frac{ \Lambda (n) -1}{n}[/tex] ??


i think is divergent
 
hi mhill,
can you prove that the series is divergent?



-Ng
 
mathslover said:
hi mhill,
can you prove that the series is divergent?

[tex]\frac1n \sum_{k=1}^n\Lambda(k)=1+o(1/\log n)[/tex]

so your series seems to be something like

[tex]\sum\frac{1}{n\log n}\approx\log\log n[/tex]

Obviously this is very heuristic here.
 
OK, it diverges.

[tex]\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} \frac{\Lambda(n) -1}{n}=\sum_p\sum_{k=1}^\infty\(\frac{\log p-1}{p}+\frac{\log p-1}{p^2}+\cdots\)=\sum_p\frac{\log p-1}{p-1}[/tex]
and we all know that
[tex]\sum_p\frac1p=+\infty[/tex]
 
when n is a prime or prime power, the summation is okay.

but suppose when n=6, then the sum is (von Mangoldt(6) -1)/6 , which is = -1/6,

as n runs from 2 to infinity,can we settle the problem of convergency or divergency?



-Ng
 
mathslover said:
when n is a prime or prime power, the summation is okay.

but suppose when n=6, then the sum is (von Mangoldt(6) -1)/6 , which is = -1/6,

as n runs from 2 to infinity,can we settle the problem of convergency or divergency?

My post addressed the case where n runs from 2 to infinity, which diverges.
 
Hi CRGreatHouse,

In your post 1673, the summation on LHS runs from n=2 to infinity, (n=2,3,4,5,6,7,8,...)

But the summation on RHS runs over all primes.(p=2,3,5,7,...)


From the definition of von Mangoldt function,when n=6,10,12,14,15,18,... , the summand

became (-1/n) whenever n is not equal to any prime or prime power.

Is something missing ?


-Ng
 
mathslover said:
Is something missing ?

Right, right... yeah, I calculated it for numerator [itex]\Lambda[/itex] first, forgetting about the -1 term, and when I added it back in forgot that part.

But wouldn't that also suggest divergence (in the other direction), since the prime powers are density 0, the reciprocal primes vary as log log n, and the reciprocal integers vary as log n?

Numerical experimentation would be nice here.
 
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I have tried numerical calculation and the sum seems to converge to ~ -1.16

Can we approach the problem from Zeta function?



-Ng
 

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