Sun Local Hour Angle and Latitude

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The discussion revolves around solving for latitude (Lat) in a trigonometric equation involving the local hour angle (H), sun declination (Dec), and an angle (a). The original poster attempts to manipulate the equation to isolate Lat but encounters difficulties in the process.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various algebraic manipulations of the equation, including squaring both sides and rewriting trigonometric identities. Questions arise about the correct interpretation of the equation and the relationships between the trigonometric functions involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide insights into potential substitutions for the trigonometric functions, while others express uncertainty about the original poster's approach. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to express the variables and clarify the problem setup.

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There are indications of possible misinterpretations of the formula, and participants are questioning the correctness of the expressions used. The original poster's goal is to derive a value for sin(L), but the discussion reveals complexities in the relationships between the variables.

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Homework Statement



if:
H = Local Hour Angle
Lat = Latitude.
Dec = Sun Declination.

cos(H) = -sin(a)-sin(Lat)*sin(Dec) / cos(Lat)*cos(Dec)


I wand to get The value of Lat .

The Attempt at a Solution


I Tried to make it simple By :
1 - multiply both sides by the denominator
1- square both sides
2- Rewrite cos^2(L) as 1-sin^2(L)
3- Rearrange into a quadratic equation in sin(L).
And this is what I got:

Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D).Cos^2(L) = -Sin^2(a) - 2Sin(a).Sin(D).Sin(L) + Sin^2(L).Sin^2(D)

Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D).(1-Sin^2(L) )= -Sin^2(a) - 2Sin(a).Sin(D).Sin(L) + Sin^2(L).Sin^2(D)

Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D) - Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D).Sin^2(L) = - Sin^2(a) - 2Sin(a).Sin(D).Sin(L) + Sin^2(L).Sin^2(D)

Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D) = -Sin^2(a)- 2Sin(a).Sin(D).Sin(L) + Sin^2(L).Sin^2(D) + Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D).Sin^2(L)

Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D) = -Sin^2(a)- 2Sin(a).Sin(D).Sin(L) + Sin^2(L) . ( Sin^2(D) + Cos^2(H).Cos^2(D) )

then I am Stuck can you help me please.
 
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So, is the problem asking you to solve the equation for Lat (or "L")?

As I read the equation, Lat appears in the form

sin(Lat) / cos(Lat)​

This can be replaced by a different, well-known trig function.
 
Yes I used L = Lat
can you tell me about the function that replace it
 
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can you tell me about the function that replace it
 
There are six standard, well-known trig functions. It is the one that is equivalent to

sin(θ) / cos(θ) = ___?​

Surely you know this?
 


may be I wrote the formula incorrectly

Cos H = \frac{sin(a)-sin(L)*Sin(D)}{Cos(L)*Cos(D)}

I want to get the value of sin(L)
 
cos(H) = \frac{sin(a)-sin(L)*sin(D)}{cos(L)*cos(D)}

cos(L) = \frac{sin(a)-sin(L)*sin(D)}{cos(H)*cos(D)}

cos(L) = \frac{sin(a)}{cos(H)*cos(D)} \; - \; \frac{sin(D)}{cos(H)*cos(D)}sin(L)

define constants A and B appropriately and the equation becomes:

cos(L) = A - B sin(L)

You could square both sides at this point, change cos2(L) to 1 - sin2(L) and solve the quadratic for sin(L).
 
Or Sin(L)=[Sin(a)-Cos(L)*Cos(H)*Cos(D)]/Sin(D)
 
RTW69 said:
Or Sin(L)=[Sin(a)-Cos(L)*Cos(H)*Cos(D)]/Sin(D)

How would that help? You've got a cos(L) on the RHS. You're trying to solve for L (eventually).
 
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You are correct, I should have read the problem statement a little closer.
 

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