Sunlight & Earth: 8.3 Minute Delay?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of light and its travel time from the Sun to the Earth, particularly during sunrise. Participants explore the implications of light's finite speed in various scenarios, including comparisons with water flow and laser beams directed at the Moon.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it takes another 8.3 minutes for the initially dark part of the Earth to receive sunlight after rotating to face the Sun.
  • Another participant suggests that light received during sunrise was emitted 8.3 minutes ago, but also implies that light is received immediately upon facing the Sun.
  • A participant draws an analogy between the travel times of water and light, noting that once a continuous source is activated, all molecules have the same travel time to the target.
  • Several posts inquire about the behavior of light from a laser directed at the Moon, questioning whether the laser must remain on for the light to reach the Moon or if each photon travels independently.
  • One participant reassures another that their question about the laser will not be met with negativity and provides an example of light travel time in relation to fireworks displays.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of light's travel time, particularly regarding the timing of light reception during sunrise and the operation of lasers. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on analogies and examples that may not fully capture the complexities of light travel and its implications in different scenarios. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of light propagation in the discussed contexts.

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i am having problem with the nature of light. The sun is lighting the earth. Suppose there solar system was emplty. Let's say we put the sun and Earth in their respective places in a experiment. So initially it will take 8.3 minutes to illuminate the part of Earth facing the sun. The Earth rotates and the dark part will slowly face the sun. My question is does it take again 8.3 minutes to light the first fraction of the initially dark part.
Suppose we have a continuous source of water like a pipe and let's say its hitting a sphere ball. Initially it will take some time to reach the ball. And as the ball rotates the water won't take time to hit it (the back part).
So is the light we receive during sunrise was given 8.3 minutes ago or is it otherwise, that as soon as we face the sun, we receive the light?
 
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batballbat said:
So is the light we receive during sunrise was given 8.3 minutes ago or is it otherwise, that as soon as we face the sun, we receive the light?
It is both. As soon as we face the sun we receive the light that was given 8 minutes ago.
 
The water and light both have finite travel times. After you turn the hose on it will take a finite time for the water to initially hit the sphere, however you never turned the water off, so every molecule of water has had the same amount of flight time to get to the sphere. The situation with the Sun is identical.
 
On this topic - if you shine a laser at the moon for 0.1s and then stop, will the light reach the moon, or do you have to hold down the laser till the light reaches the moon, as if the light behind other light particles is "pushing" the light in front of it.

I'm going to guess this post will be flamed for stupidity and I suspect I already know the answer, but I just want to make sure.
 
jewbinson said:
On this topic - if you shine a laser at the moon for 0.1s and then stop, will the light reach the moon, or do you have to hold down the laser till the light reaches the moon, as if the light behind other light particles is "pushing" the light in front of it.

I'm going to guess this post will be flamed for stupidity and I suspect I already know the answer, but I just want to make sure.

Each photon in the laser beam travels on its own and doesn't need anything to push it along. You would not need to keep the laser on to ensure it hits the moon.
 
Jewbinson, you will never be 'flamed' on PF. As to your laser question, Drakkith nailed it down quite well. If it helps (hell, even if it doesn't) I'll offer an example that you might be familiar with. When you watch a fireworks display, the explosions are long over before you hear them. Because it is so incredibly fast, most people don't realize that the light from the shells also has a travel time, so the explosions are essentially over before you even see them. (There is a lot of overlap, though, because the travel time is less than the combustion time.)
 
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