Superheated steam/isentropic expansion.

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The discussion revolves around the process of isentropic expansion of superheated steam, specifically focusing on calculating the enthalpy at a lower pressure after expansion. Participants explore methods to derive enthalpy values using steam tables and other resources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving superheated steam at 8600 kPa and 500 degrees C expanding isentropically to 2900 kPa, expressing confusion about calculating enthalpy.
  • Another participant suggests extrapolating enthalpy from the saturated vapor enthalpy point to the desired state.
  • A different participant proposes using an h-s chart as an alternative method for finding enthalpy.
  • One participant requests numerical values and a detailed process for obtaining the enthalpy, indicating a need for clarity.
  • Another participant recommends using a Mollier diagram to follow the constant pressure line to find the corresponding entropy value.
  • It is noted that the use of steam tables is a requirement for the calculations.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant successfully determined the enthalpy by interpolating the entropy value of 6.6858 at 2900 kPa.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the method of calculation, as various approaches are suggested, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to derive the enthalpy value.

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Participants express uncertainty about the interpolation process and the specific values needed from the steam tables, indicating potential limitations in their understanding or access to the necessary resources.

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I have a quiz tomorrow and I hope somebody sees this and answers in time.

Alright, so I have superheated steam at 8600kPa and 500 degrees C. It expands isentropically to 2900 kPa.

Since it's isentropic, S2 must be equal to S3, assuming it's ideal. S2 = S3' = 6.6858.

Getting the saturation entropies at 2900 kPa, Sl = 2.6283 and Sv = 6.1969. x is 1.13.

Now this is the problem; it's still superheated. How on Earth do I get enthalpy (H) 3? I've been looking at the freaking steam table for three hours with no luck. apparently the answer is 3071 and I have no idea how did they even get that.

Thanks.
 
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you will have to extrapolate the enthalpy from saturated vapour enthalpy point to the point you want.
 


you can also use h-s chart.
 


Can I get numerical values? All this thinking made my brain go broke.

I just need to know the entire process of getting the value, then I'll probably rest a bit. Thanks.
 


take a look at mollier diagram.a big chart,just follow the constant pressure line corresponding to the pressure and see what you get for that entropy.
 


we're required to use steam tables though.
 


OMG i finally got it. I take 2900kPa. Look for the appropriate interpolation wrt to 6.6858, then interpolate it to take the enthalpy which has the entropy of 6.6858. thanks!
 

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