Supersonic Flow in Diverging Nozzle

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of supersonic flow in a diverging nozzle, specifically addressing why a fluid's velocity increases when the cross-sectional area expands at speeds greater than the speed of sound. The scope includes theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications related to fluid dynamics and thermodynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that at low speeds, fluid velocity increases with decreasing area, but questions why this is reversed at supersonic speeds.
  • Another participant suggests that the pressure differential plays a crucial role in determining fluid velocity, proposing that a larger pressure differential at higher speeds may necessitate a higher exit velocity.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the distinction between incompressible and compressible flow, stating that in compressible flow, density changes allow for different behavior compared to incompressible flow, with an increase in kinetic energy balancing a decrease in density and temperature.
  • One participant references thermodynamic principles and equations related to nozzle design, explaining that a diverging nozzle is necessary for supersonic flow to reduce back pressure and accelerate the fluid beyond Mach 1.
  • A participant raises a question regarding the sensitivity of nozzle performance to varying temperatures of the working fluid, specifically in the context of internal combustion engines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses and reasoning regarding the behavior of supersonic flow, but no consensus is reached on the underlying mechanisms or the implications of temperature variations on flow characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference equations and principles from thermodynamics and fluid dynamics, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the effects of temperature and pressure on flow behavior, as well as the implications of shockwaves in the context of nozzle design.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in fluid dynamics, thermodynamics, mechanical engineering, and those involved in the design and analysis of nozzle systems.

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Clearly, at low speeds the velocity of a fluid increases when the area through which it is traveling decreases. I am curious as to why a fluid traveling faster than the speed of sound increases its velocity when its area is increased. Thank you
 
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Im not 100% sure why, however the reason it works going from big to small is because of the pressure differential. (P1-P2)=(rho/2(V2^2-V1^2)), as you can see the density times velocity needs to equal the pressure difference. so at a higher speed the pressure differential going from small to large may be larger thus needing a larger V2 to keep the ratio equal to the pressure differential. My best guess!
 
At low speeds the fluid is treated as incompressible, so when the nozzle contracts, the only way for the molecules to get out of the way of one another and conserve mass is by speeding up.

In a compressible flow, that same fluid can change in density, meaning it isn't required to follow the same rules as incompressible flows.

I may be wrong here, as I haven't ever really considered this question aside from what the equations say, but when the area increases, the density decreases and the temperature drops. This is a net loss of energy that is balanced by the resulting increase in kinetic energy.
 
From my fuzzy recollection of intermediate thermodynamics (and looking it up):

\frac{dA}{A}=-\frac{dV}{V}(1-M^{2})

So in the design of a nozzle's cross-sectional area using mass and energy balances, the rate of change in area of the nozzle at any point is related to the area, velocity, change in velocity, and Mach number.

Putting it another way, compressed fluids going through a converging nozzle can only pass through the nozzle at up to Mach 1 (speed of sound in the fluid). This limitation is due to back pressure and "choked flow," meaning the maximum mass flow rate through an orifice is limited to Mach 1 through that orifice. To increase velocity after a throat (minimum area) requires a diverging (supersonic) nozzle which allows the fluid's pressure to drop, reducing back pressure and accelerating the flow. This is of course not taking into account things like normal shockwaves and the like...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_laval_nozzle
 
Not to intrude, but I have a question for Mech. Engineer. How sensative are these to different levels of temperature of the working fluid? In my case, an ICE.
 

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