Supersymmetry Purpose: Explanation & Purpose

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The discussion centers around the purpose and implications of supersymmetry in theoretical physics, exploring its role in explaining phenomena such as the mass of the Higgs boson, its potential connection to dark matter, and its relationship with gravity and string theory. Participants express varying levels of understanding and differing interpretations of supersymmetry's significance.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek clarification on the purpose of supersymmetry and its predictions.
  • Others reference Wikipedia as a source of information, questioning its accuracy regarding the link between gravity and fundamental forces.
  • One participant argues that supersymmetry was invented to address the low mass of the Higgs boson, propose candidates for dark matter, and support string theory in ultrahigh energy physics.
  • Another participant challenges the accuracy of the previous claim, stating that supersymmetry predates the knowledge of the Higgs boson's mass and that the consensus on dark matter's particle nature developed later.
  • Some participants mention the concept of local supersymmetry and its ability to predict gravity through supergravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the historical context and implications of supersymmetry, with no consensus on its purpose or the accuracy of claims made about it.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues concerning the historical timeline of supersymmetry's development and its relationship with concepts like dark matter and gravity. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of sources and the implications of supersymmetry in theoretical frameworks.

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Can someone give me an explanation telling me the actual purpose of supersymmetry and what it’s meant to show or predict or solve?
 
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The Wikipedia article gives an introduction. Which part is unclear?
 
The link between gravity and the fundamental forces of nature is unclear. How is the link shown?
 
Supersymmetry has nothing to do with gravity.
 
mfb said:
Supersymmetry has nothing to do with gravity.
That’s what it says on Wikipedia
 
So what is unclear?
 
mfb said:
So what is unclear?

No I mean on Wikipedia it said it links gravity with the other fundamental forces of nature
 
Now it doesn't do that any more. No idea who added that, but apparently no one caught it.
 
mfb said:
Now it doesn't do that any more. No idea who added that, but apparently no one caught it.
Oh, so are you able to answer my question or?
 
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The Wikipedia article gives a [now better] introduction. Which part is unclear?
 
  • #11
Vishal Rana said:
That’s what it says on Wikipedia

That will teach you to rely solely on Wikipedia.

Why don't you look at this instead?



Zz.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
The Wikipedia article gives a [now better] introduction. Which part is unclear?
I’ll take a look thanks
 
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ZapperZ said:
That will teach you to rely solely on Wikipedia.

Why don't you look at this instead?



Zz.

Oh right I like this guy he explains things well ill watch it thanks !
 
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Supersymmetry was invented to explain:
1. Relatively low mass of Higgs boson.
Without approximately electroweak scale supersymmetry it seems that mass of Higgs is somehow fine tuned, eg designed, what implies improbable serendipity, divine intervention or an anthropic principle at work - scientists hate all of these ideas but it seems that they will have to reconsider them and pick their poison.
2. Supersymmetric particles are nice candidates for dark matter.
3. Without supersymmetry string theories and particularly their applications in ultrahigh energy physics are ruined and a lot of work in theoretical physics is good for nothing.
 
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Martin0001, none of what you wrote is correct.

  1. Supersymmetry was invented in the late 1960's and early 1970's, long before the Higgs boson's mass was known, or even bounded.
  2. A consensus that DM must have a particle (specifically, non-baryonic) nature did not develop until the 1980's.
  3. That just sounds bitter.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Martin0001, none of what you wrote is correct.

  1. Supersymmetry was invented in the late 1960's and early 1970's, long before the Higgs boson's mass was known, or even bounded.
  2. A consensus that DM must have a particle (specifically, non-baryonic) nature did not develop until the 1980's.
  3. That just sounds bitter.
You are right, but current work and support of supersymmetry is related to issues which I have risen. There was (and still is albeit it fades) a hope that supersymmetry will resolve these issues.
And yes, point 3, even if bitter, still holds - string theories applicable in ultrahigh energy physics need supersymmetry to work.
 
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Sometimes people say that susy is linked to gravity because a local supersymmetry is able to predict gravity -eg gravitinos- (local supersymmetry = supergravity)...
 

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