What is Supersymmetry: Fermion-Boson Correspondence

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The discussion centers on the concept of supersymmetry, particularly the relationship between fermions and bosons, and how this symmetry may manifest in particle physics. Participants explore the implications of supersymmetry as an extension of the standard model, including the nature of symmetry breaking and its effects on fundamental forces.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that supersymmetry implies a one-to-one correspondence between fermions and bosons, allowing for their substitution in interactions.
  • Others explain that supersymmetry suggests each fundamental particle has a corresponding supersymmetric partner, with examples like selectrons and photinos.
  • A participant elaborates that if the universe were perfectly supersymmetric, swapping particles with their superpartners would leave the universe unchanged, but this is not the case due to experimental evidence suggesting supersymmetry breaking at high energies.
  • Questions arise regarding the relationship between symmetry breaking in electroweak forces and the symmetry breaking associated with supersymmetry, with some asserting they are separate phenomena but related through fundamental theory.
  • There is discussion about the energy scales at which supersymmetry and electroweak symmetry breaking occur, with references to grand unification theories (GUTs) and the cooling of the universe post-Big Bang.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of radiative electroweak symmetry breaking, explaining how parameters in the Higgs potential can change due to the presence of superpartners, influencing symmetry breaking dynamics.

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Participants express varying degrees of understanding and agreement on the implications of supersymmetry and symmetry breaking, with some points remaining contested, particularly regarding the relationship between different types of symmetry breaking and the energy scales involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in understanding arise from the complexity of grand unification theories and the specifics of symmetry breaking mechanisms, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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I've read in the wikipedia supersymmetry page,that supersymmetry is a symmetry which relates fermions to bosons.
Can we tell that this means there is aOne-to-One Correspondence between fermions and bosons and we can substitute a fermion with its corresponding boson and vice versa,to get a similar interaction?
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Supersymmetry is an extention of the standard model which says that to each fundamental particle that we know of, there exists a supersymmetric corresponding particle. Specifically for each fundamental fermion, there is a supersymmetric boson, while for each fundamental boson there is a supersymmetric fermion. To date no such particles have been found.

Examples: electron partner is called selectron, while photon partner is called photino.
 
mathman said:
Supersymmetry is an extention of the standard model which says that to each fundamental particle that we know of, there exists a supersymmetric corresponding particle. Specifically for each fundamental fermion, there is a supersymmetric boson, while for each fundamental boson there is a supersymmetric fermion.

To elaborate just a little, if the universe was exactly supersymmetric you could perform this switcharoo and swap each fundamental particle with its superpartner and the universe would stay exactly the same. However there are many experimental reasons why this cannot be the case, so the solution is to assume the world is only supersymmetric at very high energies, and that there is a supersymmetry breaking mechanism which gives all the superpartners a large mass at low energies so that they would not have been seen in any current experiments.
 
Is the symmetry breaking,which causes the electromagnetic and weak forces emerge from electroweak force,the same thing as you mentioned kurros?

Thanks to both
 
Shyan said:
Is the symmetry breaking,which causes the electromagnetic and weak forces emerge from electroweak force,the same thing as you mentioned kurros?

Thanks to both

No it is a separate thing, although somewhat similar in that there is a symmetry of the fundamental theory which needs to be broken. The electroweak unification scale is around the terascale, i.e. 10^3 GeV, whereas the scale at which SUSY breaking is often theorized to occur is at something more like the grand unification scale, way up at 10^19 GeV or so usually.
 
So up to now,considering GUTs,after big bang,our universe is supersymmetric until it cools down to 10^{19} \ GeV.At this energy,supertsymmetry breaks and as a result,electroweak and strong forces become distinct.Then when the energy reaches 10^3 \ GeV , The electroweak force divides to electromagnetic and weak forces and we have three fundamental interactions.right?
 
Something like that, as far as I know. I am not an expert on GUT's though :). Actually I think the breaking of the GUT group is generally separate to the SUSY breaking (the SUSY breaking occurring at an even higher scale I think), but I am not very familiar with it, and there are various different GUTs that all do things a bit differently.
 
Actually, there is a nice connection between the SUSY breaking and electroweak symmetry breaking that I neglected to mention. In the Standard Model there is a parameter in the higgs potential which gives the potential a non-zero minima if it is negative, often called μ^2, and the fact that the minima is non-zero is what causes electroweak symmetry breaking to occur. In SUSY models it is possible for this parameter to start out positive at high scales (so the higgs potential has no non-zero minima and no symmetry breaking is possible) and then due to radiative corrections that arise due to the existence of the massive superpartners this parameter can be dynamically flipped to negative as you go down in energy scale, pushing the minima of the Higgs potential out to non-zero values and triggering electroweak symmetry breaking. This is a pretty cool thing to have happen. It is called radiative electroweak symmetry breaking, or "REWSB" if you want to read more about it.
 

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