Superwind phase in stellar evolution

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of rapid mass loss during the superwind phase in stellar evolution, particularly focusing on the mechanisms behind this process and the concept of positive binding energy in stellar envelopes. Participants explore theoretical and observational aspects related to this phase, including pulsation effects and radiation pressure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the definition of positive binding energy and its implications for the envelope of a star during the superwind phase.
  • Another participant suggests that the mass loss may be linked to the pulsation of stars, particularly Mira variables, which could facilitate the formation of molecules and dust that contribute to the wind.
  • A different viewpoint posits that the rapid mass loss occurs because the bound system becomes energetically unfavorable, leading the envelope to prefer ejection.
  • It is proposed that radiation pressure plays a significant role in mass loss, particularly in very massive stars where radiation can overcome gravitational forces.
  • Participants note that the pulsation of AGB stars leads to the dredge-up of carbon and oxygen, resulting in the formation of molecules that can be blown outward by stellar radiation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the exact mechanisms of mass loss during the superwind phase, with multiple competing views presented. There is no consensus on the definitive cause of the rapid mass loss, as various factors such as pulsation, binding energy, and radiation pressure are discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of binding energy and the conditions under which mass loss occurs remain unresolved. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific stellar characteristics, such as mass and pulsation behavior.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in stellar evolution, astrophysics, and the mechanisms of mass loss in stars may find this discussion relevant.

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why is there very rapid mass loss in the superwind phase. my notes simply say "because the envelope attains positive binding energy".

Firstly, how can binding energy be positive by definition?!

Secondly, I am not entirely sure what the lecturer is talking about? what makes the envelope "attain positive binding energy" in the first place? Can't find anything relavent in Carroll and Ostlie:(

thanks in advance:)
 
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I'm not sure this mechanism is fully known, however during the AGB phase we observe that some stars begin to pulsate (Mira variables). The systematic compression and expansion causes material to "bunch up" making the formation of molecules (and dust etc.) easier. These trap the outgoing flux and essentially drive a strong wind.
 
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why is there very rapid mass loss in the superwind phase. my notes simply say "because the envelope attains positive binding energy".
thanks in advance:)

I think it just means that the bound system becomes energetically unfavourable in favour of the unbound? That is to say, the envelope would prefer to be ejected..
 
so the mass loss is simply a consequence of the star pulsating.

thanks again astrorob.
 
Mass loss is due to radiation pressure (outward) overcoming gravitation (inward).

In very massive stars, the gravity at the surface is weak and the radiation strong, so the matter gets blown away.

As astrorob says, in AGB stars molecules form as the star pulsates. This is due to the dredge-up of carbon and/or oxygen from inside the star. The molecules form into grains which are easily blown outwards by the stellar radiation.
 

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