Supremum and Infimum of $S$: $a < b < c < d$

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The discussion revolves around the set \(S = \{x : (x - a)(x - b)(x - c)(x - d) < 0\}\) with the condition \(a < b < c < d\). Participants explore the implications of this inequality on the supremum and infimum of the set, examining whether it is beneficial to expand the expression and how the ordering of \(a\), \(b\), \(c\), and \(d\) affects the set's characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the set \(S\) contains elements in the intervals \(a < x < b\) or \(c < x < d\), leading to the conclusion that \(S = (a, b) \cup (c, d)\).
  • One participant suggests that the supremum and infimum of \(S\) are \(b + d\) and \(a + c\), respectively.
  • Another participant challenges this by stating that \(a + c\) may not be a lower bound and \(b + d\) may not be an upper bound, providing a counterexample with specific values for \(a\), \(b\), \(c\), and \(d\).
  • It is noted that visualizing the intervals on a real line could clarify the upper and lower bounds of \(S\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the supremum and infimum of the set \(S\). There are competing views regarding the correctness of the proposed values for the supremum and infimum, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the bounds of \(S\), and the discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of the definitions and properties of the intervals involved.

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$S = \{x : (x - a)(x - b)(x - c)(x - d) < 0\}$, where $a < b < c < d$

This questioned shouldn't be to difficult but would it be best to multiply out?

And how is the $a < b < c < d$ going to affect it?
 
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dwsmith said:
$S = \{x : (x - a)(x - b)(x - c)(x - d) < 0\}$, where $a < b < c < d$

This questioned shouldn't be to difficult but would it be best to multiply out?

And how is the $a < b < c < d$ going to affect it?
What is asked?
 
dwsmith said:
$S = \{x : (x - a)(x - b)(x - c)(x - d) < 0\}$, where $a < b < c < d$

This questioned shouldn't be to difficult but would it be best to multiply out?

And how is the $a < b < c < d$ going to affect it?

Hi dwsmith, :)

It's clear that the set \(S\) contains elements \(a<x<b\) or \(c<x<d\). Otherwise, \((x - a)(x - b)(x - c)(x - d) >0\). That is,

\[S=\{x : a<x<b \mbox{ or }c<x<d\}=(a,b)\cup(c,d)\]

Now I suppose it is obvious as to what is the supremum and what is the infimum. Isn't? :)

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.
 
Sudharaka said:
Hi dwsmith, :)

It's clear that the set \(S\) contains elements \(a<x<b\) or \(c<x<d\). Otherwise, \((x - a)(x - b)(x - c)(x - d) >0\). That is,

\[S=\{x : a<x<b \mbox{ or }c<x<d\}=(a,b)\cup(c,d)\]

Now I suppose it is obvious as to what is the supremum and what is the infimum. Isn't? :)

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.

$\text{inf} \ S = a + c$ and $\text{sup} \ S = b + d$
 
dwsmith said:
$\text{inf} \ S = a + c$ and $\text{sup} \ S = b + d$

\(a+c\) may not be a lower bound and \(b+d\) may not be an upper bound. A simple example to contradict your supremum and infimum would be, \(a=1,b=2,c=3,d=4\). Then,

\[S=(1,2)\cup(3,4)\]

Now it is clear that, \(1+3=4\) is not a lower bound of \(S\). \(2+4=6\) although an upper bound for this example is not the least upper bound.

The simplest way to think about this would be to draw the two intervals \((a,c)\) and \((b,d)\) on a real line(Note that, \(a<b<c<d\)) and see what are the upper bounds and lower bounds of \(S\).

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.
 

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