Surface Finish vs. Fatigue strength?

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of surface finish to determine the impact of fatigue strength in various materials. The speakers question the origin of the limit of 63 Ra max for highly stressed areas and suggest that a chart showing the specific effects of finish Ra on fatigue strength would be helpful. One speaker, a product manager, argues that Ra is a worthless parameter and suggests the use of a minimum Ra value instead. They also mention that the assigned value of Ra is arbitrary and that a surface texture's effectiveness should be determined by its performance over time. The conversation concludes by stating that there is no standard chart for surface finish vs. impact on fatigue strength due to the differences in materials.
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Does anyone have access to a chart shown surface finish vs. impact of fatigue strength at 10^6 for various matals?

In our company we limit the surface finishes to 63 Ra max for highly stressed areas. But where did that value come from? The best way to find out is to see a chart showing the specific affects of finish Ra to fatigue strength.

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as a product manager of the company that invented the industrial method of measuring surface TEXTURE, I can tell you that Ra is a worthless parameter. It is the average of the peak to valley height of a surface profile over a sampling length..average being the key word.. it is little better than your finger nail is determining suitability of a surface. in addition the tolerancing you mentioned does nothing to restrict the manufacturer form wasting time and money over finishing the surface. there should be a minimum Ra value as well.
Finally, the value assigned is strictly arbitrary unless some function part that has lasted over time had such a surface texture Average Roughness reading.
Note attached illustration of two surfaces with the identical parameter Ra ( used to be CLa, AA, and most wrongly RMS pre 1960s), will oil adhere to these two surfaces the same? will light reflect the same/ will they perform identical functions regarding electric conductivity?
Ra is little better than your finger nail..
 

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That chart simply won't exist. Materials are different in so many ways, that there really isn't such a thing as a "standard" chart of parameter vs. parameter.

Having said that, in my experience, surface finish typically had more of an effect on LCF life than HCF, IIRC.
 

1. What is the relationship between surface finish and fatigue strength?

The surface finish of a material refers to the quality and texture of the surface after it has been machined or treated. This can have a significant impact on the fatigue strength of the material, as a rougher surface can create stress concentrations and lead to earlier fatigue failure.

2. How does surface finish affect the fatigue life of a material?

A smoother surface finish can improve the fatigue life of a material by reducing the likelihood of stress concentrations and crack initiation. On the other hand, a rougher surface finish can decrease the fatigue life by creating more opportunities for cracks to form and propagate.

3. Is there an optimal surface finish for maximizing fatigue strength?

Yes, there is an optimal surface finish for each material and application that can help maximize fatigue strength. This can vary depending on factors such as the type of material, loading conditions, and environmental factors. It is important to carefully consider these factors when determining the appropriate surface finish for a specific application.

4. Can surface treatments improve the fatigue strength of a material?

Yes, surface treatments such as shot peening, polishing, and coatings can improve the fatigue strength of a material by altering its surface finish. These treatments can help reduce the likelihood of stress concentrations and improve the overall durability of the material.

5. How can I determine the surface finish requirements for my application?

The surface finish requirements for an application should be determined through a combination of engineering analysis and testing. This may involve considering factors such as the expected loads, environmental conditions, and the material properties to determine the optimal surface finish for maximizing fatigue strength and minimizing the risk of failure.

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