Surfaces with Same Gaussian Curvature: Hedi's Ques.

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether there exist two non-isometric surfaces that share the same Gaussian curvature. Participants explore various examples and concepts related to Gaussian curvature, isometry, and diffeomorphism, touching upon both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Hedi initially asks if two non-isomorphic surfaces can have the same Gaussian curvature.
  • Some participants clarify that they meant "non-isometric" rather than "non-isomorphic."
  • One participant asserts that surfaces with zero Gaussian curvature can be non-homeomorphic, providing examples such as the flat torus and the flat Klein bottle.
  • It is noted that in higher dimensions, there are compact manifolds with zero curvature that are not homeomorphic.
  • Another participant mentions that surfaces of different genus cannot be homeomorphic, even if they admit metrics of constant negative Gaussian curvature.
  • There is a discussion about flat tori that are homeomorphic but not isometric due to differing areas.
  • For positive Gaussian curvature, it is suggested that surfaces like the sphere and the projective plane can have constant positive Gaussian curvature.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of diffeomorphisms that preserve Gaussian curvature and whether they imply isometry.
  • One participant presents two metrics on the same space that have constant curvature but are not isometric, raising further questions about the nature of curvature preservation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the original question and the implications of Gaussian curvature preservation. There is no consensus on the relationship between diffeomorphisms that preserve Gaussian curvature and isometries, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific mathematical constructs and examples, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and implications of diffeomorphisms and curvature preservation. The discussion includes various assumptions and conditions that are not fully explored.

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Hi,
are there two non isomorphic surfaces with the same gaussian curvature?
thank's
Hedi
 
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hedipaldi said:
Hi,
are there two non isomorphic surfaces with the same gaussian curvature?
thank's
Hedi

what do you mean by non isomorphic?
 
i ment non isometric
 
hedipaldi said:
Hi,
are there two non isomorphic surfaces with the same gaussian curvature?
thank's
Hedi

yes.

One can have surfaces of zero Gauss curvature that are not even homeomorphic. There are,for instance,the flat torus, the flat Klein bottle, the flat Mobius band, flat Euclidean space ,and the flat cylinder. The only compact flat surfaces without boundary are the flat torus and the flat Klein bottle.

This works in higher dimensions as well. In every dimension there are compact manifolds without boundary whose curvature tensor is identically zero that are not homeomorphic. In three dimensions there are compact flat Riemannian manifolds without boundary that are orientable, have the same holonomy groups, but do not have the same fundamental group. The number of non-homeomorphic compact flat Riemannian manifolds without boundary in any dimension is finite although it is not known in general how many.

Additionally, any surface of genus greater that 1 admits a metric of constant negative Gauss curvature. But surfaces of different genus are not homeomorphic.

One can also have surfaces that are homeomorphic and have constant Gauss curvature but are not isometric.A simple example would be two flat tori that have different areas.
More generally, take two flat tori that are not conformally equivalent. Since an isometry must be a conformal equivalence, they can not be isometric -I don't think.

The same things apply for surfaces of higher genus.

For positive Gauss curvature the answer is also no. I just realized that the sphere and the projective plane can be given metrics of constant positive Gauss curvature.
 
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I assumed the question meant: is a diffeomorphism that preserves gauss curvature also an isometry?
 
mathwonk said:
I assumed the question meant: is a diffeomorphism that preserves gauss curvature also an isometry?

I didn't read it that way but any two flat tori are diffeomorphic. But you are right, your reading makes more sense. Mine maybe doesn't make any sense.
 
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mathwonk said:
I assumed the question meant: is a diffeomorphism that preserves gauss curvature also an isometry?

Mathwonk: I have confused myself and don't know what it means for a map to preserve Gauss curvature.

I thought of two possibilities:

1)There is a diffeomorphism so that the Gauss curvature at corresponding points is the same.

2) the pull back of the exterior derivative of the connection 1 form is the exterior derivative of the connection 1 form.

For possibility 1: The two spaces are both the open disc of radius pi/2 minus the origin.

metric 1: ds^2 = dr^2 + cos^2(r)d\theta^2metric2: ds^2 = dr^2 + sin^2(r)d\theta^2

The identity map is not an isometry but both metrics have constant curvature equal to 1.
I think this works.

For the case of curvature zero here are some more examples.

consider any metric on the plane of the form ds^2 = exp(2h)(dx^2 + dy^2) where h is a harmonic function.

The Gauss curvature is the Laplacian of h and so is always zero. Again the identity map is not an isometry for different h's.

For possibility 2, not sure. There is a differential equation.
 
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Thank's a lot
 

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