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The discussion revolves around the conceptual understanding of the N=1 massless supermultiplet in supersymmetry (SUSY), particularly focusing on the relationships between quarks, gluinos, and their corresponding superpartners. Participants explore the implications of representation theory in the context of massless states and the transformations under the Poincare algebra.

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  • One participant questions the assumption that only one component survives in the representation of the SUSY massless supermultiplet, suggesting that both spinor components are necessary in four dimensions.
  • Another participant explains the transition from gluinos to gluons, indicating that the states are generated by applying raising operators to the lowest weight state, and describes the structure of supermultiplets.
  • There is a discussion about the identification of Weyl fermions in vector multiplets and whether they can be associated with quarks, raising questions about the implications for spin eigenvalues and massless states.
  • One participant notes that the Weyl fermion in the vector multiplet must transform in the same representation of the gauge group as the vector field, which complicates the identification with fundamental quarks.
  • Participants express agreement on several points while also highlighting areas of uncertainty and questioning the implications of their arguments.

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Participants express differing views on the representation of components in the SUSY framework and the relationships between various particles. There is no consensus on the identification of Weyl fermions with quarks, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these representations.

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Participants mention specific algebraic structures and representations that may depend on the definitions used, particularly in the context of massless versus massive supermultiplets. The discussion reflects a nuanced understanding of the underlying mathematical framework, which may not be fully resolved.

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Hi,
I have a conceptual problem in understanding the SUSY (N=1) massless supermultiplet.
Using appropriately normalized creation and annihilation operators Q, Q+ (only one component survives in this representation) we have for the quark state:

Q+|p,-1/2>=0 (quark) where the 1/2 labels the eigenvalue of J3 spin operator.

For the gluino we can write
Q+|p,-1/2>=Q+Q|p,-1>=(2E-QQ+)|p,-1> ~ |p,-1> (gluon)

I don't understand why can we go from the gluino to the gluon but for the quark (also spin 1/2 like the gluino) the superpartner is a scalar.
 
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Orion2321 said:
Hi,
I have a conceptual problem in understanding the SUSY (N=1) massless supermultiplet.
Using appropriately normalized creation and annihilation operators Q, Q+ (only one component survives in this representation)

I'm not sure why you think that only one component survives. In 4d, you need both spinor components.

we have for the quark state:

Q+|p,-1/2>=0 (quark) where the 1/2 labels the eigenvalue of J3 spin operator.

For the gluino we can write
Q+|p,-1/2>=Q+Q|p,-1>=(2E-QQ+)|p,-1> ~ |p,-1> (gluon)

I don't understand why can we go from the gluino to the gluon but for the quark (also spin 1/2 like the gluino) the superpartner is a scalar.

These are two different representations. To describe a supermultiplet, you also need to describe its representation under the Poincare algebra. So it's best to start with a Poincare multiplet, which is described by a mass M and a spin s. The states are labeled as |M,s,m_s\rangle. Since you want massless multiplets, we'll take M=0 and just write the states as |s,m_s\rangle.

We view Q_\alpha as lowering operators and Q^\dagger_{\dot{\alpha}} as raising operators. The lowest weight state is

|\Omega_s \rangle = Q_1 Q_2 | s, m_s \rangle,

since

Q_1 | \Omega_s\rangle =Q_2 | \Omega_s\rangle =0.

The rest of the states in the supermultiplet are generated by action with Q^\dagger_{\dot{\alpha}}. So the supermultiplet is

|\Omega_s \rangle , ~~ Q^\dagger_{\dot{1}} | \Omega_s\rangle,~ Q^\dagger_{\dot{2}} | \Omega_s\rangle , ~~Q^\dagger_{\dot{1}} Q^\dagger_{\dot{2}} | \Omega_s\rangle .

For the scalar, or chiral, supermultiplet, we start with the state

|\Omega_0 \rangle = Q_1 Q_2 | 0, 0 \rangle .

Acting with Q^\dagger_{\dot{\alpha}} gives us a Weyl fermion

<br /> Q^\dagger_{\dot{1}} | \Omega_s\rangle,~ Q^\dagger_{\dot{2}} | \Omega_s\rangle \sim | \tfrac{1}{2},\pm \tfrac{1}{2} \rangle ,<br />

while

<br /> Q^\dagger_{\dot{1}} Q^\dagger_{\dot{2}} | \Omega_s\rangle \sim | 0,0\rangle <br />

pairs with the lowest weight state to form a complex scalar.

For the vector multiplet, we start with a Weyl fermion

|\Omega_{1/2} \rangle = Q_1 Q_2 | \tfrac{1}{2}, \pm \tfrac{1}{2} \rangle .

Acting with Q^\dagger_{\dot{\alpha}} gives us states that fill out a Lorentz vector

Q^\dagger_{\dot{\alpha}}|\Omega_{1/2} \rangle \rightarrow | 1 , m_1 \rangle,

while acting with Q^\dagger_{\dot{1}} Q^\dagger_{\dot{2}} gives us a Weyl fermion of the opposite chirality.
 
Thank you very much for your reply.
I'm not sure why you think that only one component survives. In 4d, you need both spinor components.
Here I mean that for the massless case p_{\mu}=(E,0,0,E) the algebra yields \{Q_{a},\bar{Q}_{\dot{b}}\}=2(\sigma^{\mu})_{a\dot{b}}P_{\mu}=2E(\sigma^0+\sigma^3)_{a\dot{b}}={\left(\begin{array}{cc} 1 &amp;0 \\ 0 &amp;0 \end{array}\right)_{a\dot{b}}} implying that Q_{2} is zero in this representation.

Apart from that I agree with everything you said in your post. My final question is
For the vector multiplet, we start with a Weyl fermion
why can't we identify this Weyl fermion with the quark? In that case could we raise the spin eigenvalue m_{s} by 1/2 and find a massless spin 1 state pairing with the quark?
 
Orion2321 said:
Thank you very much for your reply.

Here I mean that for the massless case p_{\mu}=(E,0,0,E) the algebra yields \{Q_{a},\bar{Q}_{\dot{b}}\}=2(\sigma^{\mu})_{a\dot{b}}P_{\mu}=2E(\sigma^0+\sigma^3)_{a\dot{b}}={\left(\begin{array}{cc} 1 &amp;0 \\ 0 &amp;0 \end{array}\right)_{a\dot{b}}} implying that Q_{2} is zero in this representation.

Apart from that I agree with everything you said in your post.

OK. I've given massive supermultiplets then. I've also missed a scalar in the massive vector multiplet.

My final question is

why can't we identify this Weyl fermion with the quark? In that case could we raise the spin eigenvalue m_{s} by 1/2 and find a massless spin 1 state pairing with the quark?

The Weyl fermion in the vector multiplet must transform in the same representation of the gauge group as the vector field, so the adjoint. This explains why the gauginos are in adjoint representations, but it also means that you can't identify them with fundamental quarks. We can put chiral multiplets in arbitrary representations of the gauge group, so they're necessary.
 

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