Swimmer and Two Dimensional Equations

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The problem involves a woman swimming across a river that is 550 ft wide, with the river flowing at a speed of 8 ft/s. The woman swims at a speed of 4 ft/s relative to the water. The discussion focuses on determining how far downstream she is swept when swimming directly across and when swimming at an angle upstream.

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  • Participants discuss the time it takes for the woman to cross the river and how to calculate the downstream distance based on her swimming speed and the river's current. There is a focus on vector components when swimming at an angle.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, including suggestions to consider the time taken to cross the river and to analyze the swimmer's velocity components. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations needed for both parts of the question, with some participants questioning the appropriateness of the equations being used.

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Participants express confusion regarding the initial setup and the lack of certain information, such as time, which is critical for solving the problem. There is also a mention of the need to clarify the use of angles in the calculations.

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A river 550 ft wide flows with a speed of 8 ft/s with respect to the earth. A woman swims with a speed of 4 ft/s with respect to the water.

a) If the woman heads directly across the river, how far downstream is she swept when she reaches the opposite bank?
d1= ?

b) If she wants to be swept a smaller distance downstream, she heads a bit upstream. Suppose she orients her body in the water at an angle of 37° upstream (where 0° means heading straight across, as in part (a)), how far downstream is she swept before reaching the opposite bank?
d2 = ?

c) For the conditions of part (b), how long does it take for her to reach the opposite bank?

For this question, I just don't know how to start it. I mean there's no angles. I'm confused because I feel there's not much information like time and all that. I guess I just don't know how to approach this.
 
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Hey wolves! No worries; I'll help you get started.

wolves5 said:
A river 550 ft wide flows with a speed of 8 ft/s with respect to the earth. A woman swims with a speed of 4 ft/s with respect to the water.

a) If the woman heads directly across the river, how far downstream is she swept when she reaches the opposite bank?

Imagine you were the woman, and trying to swim across. How long does it take? You'll be moving along with the water, but that doesn't matter; the river's width doesn't change, so you'll cross in the same amount of time as if the water were still.

You're now an observer on the shore, watching the woman. How far does the water carry her in the time it takes her to reach the other side?

b) If she wants to be swept a smaller distance downstream, she heads a bit upstream. Suppose she orients her body in the water at an angle of 37° upstream (where 0° means heading straight across, as in part (a)), how far downstream is she swept before reaching the opposite bank?

This is getting a bit more complicated, so you might want to draw a vector diagram of the swimmer's velocity. Then use the same strategy as before: find her velocity perpendicular to the bank, and use that to find how long it takes her to cross. Find her velocity parallel to the bank, and use both that and the time you found to determine how far the river carries her.
 
So for part a, I am using d=vit + 0.5at^2. So, 8(137.5) + 0.5(-9.8)(137.5^2). Is this right? Am I using the right equation?
 
No, because there's no acceleration, and gravity doesn't come into play in this question. Just d=vi*t is all you need.
 
Ok so I got that one down. Now, i don't get part b. What did you mean?
 
If she's swimming at 4ft/s at a 37 degree angle, what's the component of her velocity in the direction perpendicular to the bank? How about the component parallel? (Hint: use sine and cosine)
 
Ok. So, 4sin(37)=2.407 and 4 cos(37)=3.195. Then, I used these velocities and plugged it into D=vt. I used 137.5 as my time. It's still not the right answer.
 

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