Swing velocity at highest point

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a swing that can complete a full 360-degree rotation. The original poster seeks to determine the minimal velocity required at the highest point of the swing to prevent a person from falling off, given a radius of 5 meters.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the forces acting on a person at the highest point of the swing, questioning the relationship between upward and downward acceleration. Other participants explore the implications of centripetal acceleration and gravitational force in circular motion.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of centripetal force and gravitational force, with some suggesting that the forces must balance at the highest point. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between velocity, acceleration, and the forces involved, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions regarding motion and forces at the highest point of the swing, particularly the implications of zero vertical velocity and the nature of centripetal acceleration.

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Homework Statement


A swing is rotates with the distance 5m to the center of rotation. A full 360 degree rotation is possible.

Find the minimal value of the velocity at the highest point, so that the person operating the swing doesn't fall.

Given data:
r = 5m

Homework Equations


Downward accelaration:
x = 0.5 * -9.81 * t^2

The Attempt at a Solution


So that someone never falls from the swing, then the accelaration upward should be 9.81 m/s^2, but at the highest point (x = 0m, y = 5m), there isn't any vertical velocity. Because there is no velocity, the derivative from the vertical velocity at the highest point is 0, meaning that the downward accelaration is greater than the upward accelaration, meaning that the person would fall if not properly secured.

What am I missing here?
 
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In circular motion, acceleration is always centripetal, that is, directed toward the center.
 
Wouldn't that mean that the person in the swing will always fall at the highest point?
 
Would not that mean that anything in circular motion will always "fall" into the center?

Does that happen in reality?
 
Hmm if the body doesn't move, the centripetal force must be equal to the gravitational force right?
 
Slyforce said:
Hmm if the body doesn't move, the centripetal force must be equal to the gravitational force right?
Yes, those two forces will be equal here, but it's not because the body "doesn't move".
Because there is no velocity, the derivative from the vertical velocity at the highest point is 0
Zero velocity does not imply zero acceleration. At the highest point, the vertical velocity will be zero, but as others have posted already, the acceleration will be towards the axis of rotation. (You know the formula for this, right?). The centripetal force is the resultant force necessary to provide that acceleration, I.e. it is the sum of the vertical forces (gravity, tension in the rope).
 

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