Sylow Subgroups of Symmetric Groups

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The discussion revolves around finding a set of generators for a p-Sylow subgroup of the symmetric group Sp2, determining its order, and assessing its normality and abelian nature. The subject area involves group theory, specifically the properties of Sylow subgroups within symmetric groups.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the order of Sp2 and the implications for the order of the Sylow p-subgroup. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between factorials and powers of primes. Questions arise regarding the correctness of assumptions made about the orders and properties of the subgroups, particularly for different values of p.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some have offered insights into checking specific cases, while others express uncertainty about finding generators and the closure of proposed subgroups. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or solution yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints regarding the choice of primes, specifically focusing on odd primes, and the implications this has for the calculations and assumptions made about the Sylow subgroups.

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Homework Statement


Find a set of generators for a p-Sylow subgroup K of Sp2
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Find the order of K and determine whether it is normal in Sp2 and if it is abelian.

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So far I have that the order of Sp2 is p2!. So p2 is the highest power of p that divides the order of the group. Thus the Sylow p-subgroup has order p2 and because of that, has to be abelian. The other parts I'm not so sure on.
 
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Are you sure you're right so far? Take p=2, S_4 has order 24, so its Sylow 2 subgroup has order 8. You seem to have assumed that p^2!=p!^2.
 
Sorry, it's supposed to be restricted to just odd primes, in which case I think that still holds, correct?
 
If you believe your conjecture, then it is the matter of no time at all to check if it's true for p=3 (and it obviously isn't). If you can't prove something in general try an example or 2.
 
Okay, that's true. Sorry.
I guess I really just have no idea how to find generators for this.
I was trying with p=3 for my example and found that 3^4 is the highest power of 3 that divides 9! since there are 4 factors of 3 in 9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1. So the Sylow p-subgroup would have 81 elements. So in general for odd prime p the order of the Sylow subgroup would be p^(p+1)?

I'm working on generators right now...
 
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Here is my idea although it may be way off the mark.
Still looking at p=3, the subgroup could contain powers of 10 different 9-cycles that way you'd have 80 different elements plus the identity. I think that works.

Although I guess we can't be sure that it's closed.

Well, I'm basically out of ideas now...
 

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