Sylow Subgroups of Symmetric Groups

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The discussion focuses on finding a set of generators for a p-Sylow subgroup K of the symplectic group Sp2. The order of Sp2 is established as p2!, leading to the conclusion that the Sylow p-subgroup has order p2 and is abelian. The participants explore specific cases, particularly for p=2 and p=3, noting that the Sylow 2-subgroup of S4 has order 8 and discussing the highest power of p that divides the order of the group. The conversation emphasizes the importance of verifying conjectures through examples.

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  • Understanding of Sylow theorems and their applications in group theory
  • Familiarity with the structure and properties of symmetric and symplectic groups
  • Knowledge of factorial notation and its implications in group order calculations
  • Basic concepts of group generators and subgroup properties
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  • Learn about the structure of symmetric groups, particularly S4 and its subgroups
  • Explore the properties of symplectic groups, specifically Sp2 and its subgroup structure
  • Investigate examples of generating sets for Sylow subgroups in various groups
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This discussion is beneficial for students and researchers in abstract algebra, particularly those studying group theory, symmetric and symplectic groups, and Sylow subgroups.

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Homework Statement


Find a set of generators for a p-Sylow subgroup K of Sp2
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Find the order of K and determine whether it is normal in Sp2 and if it is abelian.

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So far I have that the order of Sp2 is p2!. So p2 is the highest power of p that divides the order of the group. Thus the Sylow p-subgroup has order p2 and because of that, has to be abelian. The other parts I'm not so sure on.
 
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Are you sure you're right so far? Take p=2, S_4 has order 24, so its Sylow 2 subgroup has order 8. You seem to have assumed that p^2!=p!^2.
 
Sorry, it's supposed to be restricted to just odd primes, in which case I think that still holds, correct?
 
If you believe your conjecture, then it is the matter of no time at all to check if it's true for p=3 (and it obviously isn't). If you can't prove something in general try an example or 2.
 
Okay, that's true. Sorry.
I guess I really just have no idea how to find generators for this.
I was trying with p=3 for my example and found that 3^4 is the highest power of 3 that divides 9! since there are 4 factors of 3 in 9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1. So the Sylow p-subgroup would have 81 elements. So in general for odd prime p the order of the Sylow subgroup would be p^(p+1)?

I'm working on generators right now...
 
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Here is my idea although it may be way off the mark.
Still looking at p=3, the subgroup could contain powers of 10 different 9-cycles that way you'd have 80 different elements plus the identity. I think that works.

Although I guess we can't be sure that it's closed.

Well, I'm basically out of ideas now...
 

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