Symmetric difference in sets

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The discussion revolves around proving a property of symmetric differences in set theory, specifically the equation (X⊕Y)⊕(Y⊕Z) = X⊕Z for any sets X, Y, and Z. Participants are exploring the definitions and properties of symmetric differences.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the definition of symmetric difference and its properties, including associativity and the behavior of symmetric differences with empty sets and identical sets. Some express difficulty in translating visual representations into formal set statements.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the proof structure, with participants suggesting breaking the proof into parts and questioning the correctness of each step. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of properties like associativity and commutativity, but no consensus has been reached on the final proof.

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Homework Statement



There is a symmetric difference in sets X & Y, X Y is defined to be the sets of elements that are either X or Y but not both
Prove that for any sets X,Y & Z that
(X\oplusY)\oplus(Y\oplusZ) = X\oplusZ

Homework Equations



\oplus = symmetic difference

The Attempt at a Solution


i can see it in the venn diagams, but I am not good at converting what i see into set statements this is my attempt in words

the symmetric difference of A and C is contained in the union of the symmetric difference of A and B and that of B and C because the symmetric difference of two repeated symmetric differences is the repeated symmetric difference of the join of the two multisets, where for each double set both can be removed.

i don't have a clue how to show that properly in subsets etc that why i need some help
 
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How did you define X\oplus Y in symbols??

You can split the proof up in this parts:
- Associativity: show that X\oplus (Y\oplus Z)=(X\oplus Y)\oplus Z
- Show that Y\oplus Y=\emptyset
- Show that Y\oplus \emptyset=Y

(this actually implies that \oplus forms a group operation). These three things together imply what you want to show, do you see that?
 
ok here is my revised attempt at the answer with your help:

In order to prove that (X⊕Y)⊕(Y⊕Z) = X⊕Z you must imply that ⊕ forms a group operation this proof is split up into three parts

The symmetric difference is associative which means that
(X⊕Y)⊕(Y⊕Z)= (Y⊕Y)⊕(X⊕Z) --I think that is correct?--
or X⊕(Y⊕Z ) = (X⊕Y) ⊕Z

The symmetric difference of the same set yields an empty set, Y⊕Y= ∅

The symmetric difference of a set and empty set yields a Y⊕∅= Y

so (Y⊕Y) = ∅
∅ ⊕(X⊕Z)= X⊕Z
hence for any sets X,Y & Z ,(X⊕Y)⊕(Y⊕Z) = X⊕Z

THAT ALL CORRECT?
 
Uiiop said:
ok here is my revised attempt at the answer with your help:

In order to prove that (X⊕Y)⊕(Y⊕Z) = X⊕Z you must imply that ⊕ forms a group operation this proof is split up into three parts

The symmetric difference is associative which means that
(X⊕Y)⊕(Y⊕Z)= (Y⊕Y)⊕(X⊕Z) --I think that is correct?--
or X⊕(Y⊕Z ) = (X⊕Y) ⊕Z

Well, you're using commutativity here (which is fine, but you must first show that you can do that). IF you don't want to do that, then

(X\oplus Y)\oplus (Y\oplus Z)=X\oplus (Y\oplus Y)\oplus Z=X\oplus \emptyset \oplus Z=X\oplus Z

is also fine...

The symmetric difference of the same set yields an empty set, Y⊕Y= ∅

The symmetric difference of a set and empty set yields a Y⊕∅= Y

so (Y⊕Y) = ∅
∅ ⊕(X⊕Z)= X⊕Z
hence for any sets X,Y & Z ,(X⊕Y)⊕(Y⊕Z) = X⊕Z

THAT ALL CORRECT?
 

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