Symmetric looking equations needing a symmetric solution

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The discussion revolves around a set of symmetric equations related to the variables \( A_i \), \( b_i \), and \( c_i \). Participants explore methods to derive expressions for \( b_1, b_2, \) and \( b_3 \) in terms of \( A_1, A_2, A_3, c_1, c_2, \) and \( c_3 \). The focus is on finding a more direct solution rather than relying on extensive algebraic manipulation.

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  • One participant presents the equations and expresses a desire for a more straightforward method of solution.
  • Another participant reformulates the equations and introduces a new variable \( \theta \), leading to a derived expression for \( b_i \) in terms of \( A_i \) and \( c_i \).
  • A third participant confirms the effectiveness of the proposed solution, indicating satisfaction with the approach.
  • A fourth participant offers an alternative method by manipulating the equations to derive a similar expression for \( b_i \), emphasizing the symmetry in the equations.

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Participants generally agree on the validity of the solutions presented, but multiple approaches to the problem remain, indicating that the discussion is not fully resolved.

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Participants note the importance of ensuring that none of the steps involve division by zero, highlighting a potential limitation in the derived expressions.

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Hi all,

I have a set of equations that look very nice and symmetric, but the only way I'm able to find solutions to them is with pages and pages of algebra! Can any members with more of a mathematical flair than myself point me in the direction of a more direct and satisfactory method of solution?

The equations are:

\frac{{A_1 }}{{A_1 + A_2 + A_3 }} = \frac{{b_1 c_1 }}{{b_1 c_1 + b_2 c_2 + b_3 c_3 }}

\frac{{A_2 }}{{A_1 + A_2 + A_3 }} = \frac{{b_2 c_2 }}{{b_1 c_1 + b_2 c_2 + b_3 c_3 }}

\frac{{A_3 }}{{A_1 + A_2 + A_3 }} = \frac{{b_3 c_3 }}{{b_1 c_1 + b_2 c_2 + b_3 c_3 }}

Given that:

b_1 + b_2 + b_3 = 1

I am looking to express b_1, b_2 and b_3 in terms of A_1, A_2, A_3, c_1, c_2 and c_3.

In general, I guess the problem would be:

A_i \sum\limits_j {b_j c_j } = b_i c_i \sum\limits_j {A_j }

\sum\limits_j {b_j } = 1

I have solved the problem for the j = 2 case, with the neat looking solutions:

b_1 = \frac{{A_1 c_2 }}{{A_1 c_2 + A_2 c_1 }}

b_2 = \frac{{A_2 c_1 }}{{A_1 c_2 + A_2 c_1 }}

I'm looking for similar solutions to j = 3, or more...if a general solution is obvious to someone else!

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

FD
 
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I'll write your equations as:

[Eqs. 1] \frac{A_i}{\sum_j Aj} = \frac {b_i c_i}{\sum_j b_j c_j}


Introduce another variable \theta defined by

[Eq. 2] \theta = \frac {\sum_j b_j c_j} {\sum_j A_j}

Multiplying the left sides of [Eqs. 1] by \frac{\theta}{\theta} gives:

[Eqs. 3] \frac{\theta A_i}{\sum_j b_j c_j} = \frac {b_i c_i}{\sum_j b_j c_j}

so

[Eqs 4] b_i = \theta \frac{A_i}{c_i}


Since \sum_j b_j = 1 we have:

[Eq 5] \sum_j \theta \frac{A_j}{c_j} = \theta \sum_j {A_j}{c_j} = 1

Sovling for \theta gives:

[Eq 6] \theta = \frac{1}{\sum_j \frac{A_j}{c_j}}

Substituting in [Eqs 4] gives

[Eqs 7] b_i = \frac{1}{\sum_j \frac{A_j}{c_j}} \frac{A_i}{c_i}

Of course, you must check none of the steps involve division by zero. Also my reasoning seems suspiciously circular!
 
Ahhhh, that works beautifully - nice one!
 
That was an elegant solution, I would like to add another one.
Dividing the sides of the ith equation by the sides of the jth equation gives:
\frac{A_i}{A_j}=\frac{b_ic_i}{b_jc_j}
And then:
b_j=\frac{A_j}{c_j}\frac{c_i}{A_i}b_i
Thus:
\sum_{j}b_j=\frac{c_i}{A_i}b_i\sum_{j}\frac{A_j}{c_j}
And since \sum_{j}b_j=1 we get:
b_i=\frac{A_i}{c_i}\frac{1}{\sum_{j}\frac{A_j}{c_j}}
 

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