Symmetric matrix and diagonalization

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The discussion revolves around the properties of symmetric matrices and their diagonalizability, specifically questioning whether all symmetric matrices are diagonalizable. Participants explore the implications of eigenvalue multiplicity and the conditions under which diagonalization is possible.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question the relationship between eigenvalue multiplicity and diagonalizability, with some suggesting that symmetric matrices may not always be diagonalizable. Others reference the spectral theorem and its implications for diagonalization.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the spectral theorem and its relevance to the properties of symmetric matrices. There is acknowledgment of different contexts, such as real versus complex entries, and the implications for eigenvalues.

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Participants note that the field over which the matrix is defined may affect the properties discussed, particularly regarding eigenvalues and diagonalizability. The distinction between real and complex matrices is highlighted as a significant factor in the discussion.

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This is a T/F question:
all symmetric matrices are diagonalizable.

I want to say no, but I do not know how exactly to show that... all I know is that to be diagonalizable, matrix should have enough eigenvectors, but does multiplicity of eigenvalues matter, i.e. can I say that if eignvalue has multiplicity > 1 then the matrix is not diagonalizable?
Thanks

EDIT: zero matrix is diagonalizable, right?
 
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EvLer said:
This is a T/F question:
all symmetric matrices are diagonalizable.

I want to say no, but I do not know how exactly to show that... all I know is that to be diagonalizable, matrix should have enough eigenvectors, but does multiplicity of eigenvalues matter, i.e. can I say that if eignvalue has multiplicity > 1 then the matrix is not diagonalizable?
Thanks

EDIT: zero matrix is diagonalizable, right?

The zero matrix is already diagonal. So it's VERY diagonalizable. Think spectral theorem.
 
Dick said:
...Think spectral theorem.

ummm... not there yet
 
You must have something like it. Note that it also makes a big difference whether the entries are real or complex. If they are real then it's true, but a proof is just a proof of the finite dimensional version of the spectral theorem. If they are complex, then you just need a counter example. Because it's false.
 
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oh, yeah, looked at further chapters, now I see the spectral theorem. Thanks a lot.
 
Uhhh. Not true.

Remember eigenvalues have a lot to do with what field you're in.

Principal axis theorem is the theorem you want.
 
A symmetric matrix is "self-adjoint"- that is, for a symmetric matrix A, the dot product (Ax).y= x.(Ay). It's fairly easy to prove, it may already be proven in your book, that any self-adjoint (and, so, any symmetric) n by n matrix has n independent eigenvectors. Using those eigenvectors as basis gives you a diagonal matrix with the eigenvalues on the diagonal.
 
...over an algebraically closed field...
 
HallsofIvy said:
A symmetric matrix is "self-adjoint"- that is, for a symmetric matrix A, the dot product (Ax).y= x.(Ay). It's fairly easy to prove, it may already be proven in your book, that any self-adjoint (and, so, any symmetric) n by n matrix has n independent eigenvectors. Using those eigenvectors as basis gives you a diagonal matrix with the eigenvalues on the diagonal.

matt grime said:
...over an algebraically closed field...

Was that in response to my post? The field of real numbers is not algebraically closed but it is certainly true that any symmetric matrix over the real numbers has real eigenvalues. In fact, any self-adjoint linear transformation on a vector space over the real numbers has all real eigenvalues.
 
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I should have said 'not necessarily over the field of definition of the matrix'. Or 'a field with sufficiently many elements'.
 

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