Symmetry Groups of the Standard Model: SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the symmetry groups of the Standard Model, specifically the SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1) framework. Participants explore the implications of these groups for the invariance of the Lagrangian, the nature of the associated symmetries, and the completeness of this description in relation to the field content and interactions within the model.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1) groups represent the symmetries under which the Lagrangian is invariant, but question whether this specification provides a complete description of the Lagrangian.
  • It is noted that the symmetry groups include local gauge symmetries, which are crucial for governing the dynamics of the theory.
  • Participants discuss the specific symmetries associated with each group: SU(3) corresponds to color charge, SU(2) to isospin charge, and U(1) to hypercharge, with the latter being partially broken while one U(1) sub-symmetry remains unbroken, leading to electric charge conservation.
  • There is a suggestion that the Yukawa term is an additional term that arises from the gauge symmetry group, prompting further exploration of its role.
  • Some participants clarify that the SU(2) x U(1) group includes four gauge bosons, with three gaining mass through the Higgs mechanism, while one remains massless, specifically the photon.
  • It is emphasized that knowing the symmetries allows for the formulation of Lagrangian terms that are invariant under symmetry transformations, including the Yukawa term.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the completeness of the symmetry groups in describing the Lagrangian. While some acknowledge the importance of the gauge symmetries, others highlight the necessity of additional specifications regarding field content and interactions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the Poincaré group and the handedness of matter fields, suggesting that there are additional symmetries and considerations that may not be fully addressed within the SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1) framework alone.

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I have a question regarding symmetry groups. I've often heard that the Standard Model is a SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1) theory. From what I understand these groups contain the symmetries under which the Lagrangian function is invariant. If so, what does every one of the 3 groups above contain (what symmetry do they correspond to) and does specifying the symmetry groups give a complete description of the Lagrangian ?
 
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Qubix said:
I have a question regarding symmetry groups. I've often heard that the Standard Model is a SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1) theory. From what I understand these groups contain the symmetries under which the Lagrangian function is invariant.
That's not an exhaustive list of the symmetries. It includes the local gauge symmetries which are the more important symmetries because they govern the dynamics of the theory.
If so, what does every one of the 3 groups above contain (what symmetry do they correspond to)
These symmetries generate the conserved dynamic charges (through Noether theorem) of the theory which are the color charge [SU(3)], the isospin charge [SU(2)], and the hypercharge [U(1)]. The isospin and hypercharge are spontaneously broken but one U(1) sub-symmetry remains unbroken and generates the electric charge conservation.
and does specifying the symmetry groups give a complete description of the Lagrangian?

It goes a long way, but it is not complete. You still have to specify the field content beyond the gauge fields, what representation of the gauge symmetry do they belong to, and what other non-gauge interactions (such as a Yukawa interaction) are present. Most of the standard model parameters go into completely describing the Yukawa interaction.
 
Isn't the Yukawa term just one more possible term due to the SM gauge symmetry group?
 
As dauto points out this is just the gauge symmetry group, and there are other symmetries (for example everything in the SM are also representations of the Poincaré group). There are various matter fields with handedness.

SU(3) is the strong interaction - dimSU(3) = 8 gauge bosons

SU(2)xU(1) is, in a manner of speaking, the electroweak interaction: dim = 3+1 gauge bosons. This breaks to the weak and electromagnetic interactions where 3 representations gain mass (w gauge bosons) and one (photon) remains massless due to the Higgs. Excuse my abuse of terminology.
 
in complete (I think), SU(2)xU(1) contains 4 gauge bosons (massless). This is spontaneously broken via the Higgs Mechanism, under which the 3 out of the 4 gauge bosons gain mass (Ws and Z), into one U(1) symmetry as a remain, which gives you the massless boson (photon).

But I guess knowing the symmetries of your problem allows you to write down the lagrangian terms (the allowed ones are those who are invariant under the symmetry transformations- and Yukawa term is such)
 

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