Symplectic Notation: Confused by Subscripts i & j?

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The discussion revolves around the confusion regarding the use of subscripts i and j in the context of symplectic notation and canonical transformations. Participants are examining the implications of transposing matrices and the significance of index order in mathematical expressions.

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  • Participants are exploring the interchangeability of subscripts in matrix notation and questioning the importance of index order. Some seek clarification on specific equations and examples to illustrate the concepts.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing confusion and seeking further examples to clarify the significance of index order. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between index order and matrix transposition, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and implications of subscripts in the context of symplectic formulation, particularly in relation to specific equations referenced in the discussion.

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The attached is a section of the derivation of canonical transformation from the symplectic formulation. I tend to get very confused by the subscripts i and j. For me they both run from 1 to 2n and can be used interchangeably. But of course that is not the case since equation (9.53) on the attached picture specifically instructs you to transpose the matrix described by (9.51). Can someone explain what is wrong with just changing the indices in a pedagogic way - an example would be lovely too.
 

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aaaa202 said:
The attached is a section of the derivation of canonical transformation from the symplectic formulation. I tend to get very confused by the subscripts i and j. For me they both run from 1 to 2n and can be used interchangeably. But of course that is not the case since equation (9.53) on the attached picture specifically instructs you to transpose the matrix described by (9.51). Can someone explain what is wrong with just changing the indices in a pedagogic way - an example would be lovely too.

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking. Can you give a specific example of the equation where you think you can't transpose i & j?
 
Well, the indices do run from 1 to 2n, and there is no deep physics hidden in calling the indices i and j, specifically. Could be any letter or symbol, really. However, the order is important.

Changing the order of the indices for a matrix actually is the same as taking the transpose. Think of i as a row index and j as a column index. Just make up some old matrix and try it out.
 
perhaps I wasn't clear enough. My frustation is actually due to not being able to see why the order of i and j is important - it's probably trivial but I don't see it.
 
aaaa202 said:
My frustation is actually due to not being able to see why the order of i and j is important

In what term/equation?
 

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