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Will the synchronized clocks placed in an inertial frame remain synchronized forever?
The discussion revolves around the synchronization of clocks placed in an inertial frame, specifically whether they will remain synchronized indefinitely and how this synchronization is perceived from different frames of reference. The conversation touches on concepts from special relativity and the nature of time measurement.
Participants express differing views on the nature of synchronization, with some maintaining that synchronization is absolute within an inertial frame, while others contend that it is inherently relative and dependent on the observer's frame of reference. No consensus is reached on the issue.
The discussion highlights the complexities of clock synchronization in the context of special relativity, including the implications of different synchronization conventions and the relativity of simultaneity. Limitations in understanding and assumptions about the nature of time and synchronization are acknowledged but remain unresolved.
Yes. Two clocks each at rest and remaining at rest relative to the same inertial frame after having been synchronized once will remain so indefinitely.Rishi Tharun said:Will the synchronized clocks placed in an inertial frame remain synchronized forever?
To an observer moving relative to the frame, will they appear to lose their sync?jbriggs444 said:Yes. Two clocks each at rest and remaining at rest relative to the same inertial frame after having been synchronized once will remain so indefinitely.
Note that you do not place things in a frame of reference. You set them at rest relative to such a frame.
This would be correct if you'd left out the "single inertial frame". It is true that there is no absolute sense in which two clocks are synchronised. Adding in the bit about the inertial frame is just confusion. An inertial frame is a choice of clock synchronisation convention - so "with a choice of clock synchronisation convention there is no absolute synchronisation" is tautological at best.Arup Biswas said:in a single inertial frame two clocks can never be absolutely synchronised...!
Conventionally, you assume light speed is the same in both directions. Then one clock sets itself to zero and emits a light pulse. The other clock receives the light pulse at a time it calls T and returns the pulse. The first clock receives this pulse at time 2T and returns the pulse. The second clock receives this pulse at 3T. This is all it needs to work out the value of T and deduce when it should have zeroed itself. Assuming the clocks are at rest with respect to one another and working properly they will now be in sync. Both can easily confirm that the other always appears to lag by time T.Arup Biswas said:What do i mean by 'Synchronisation'!
That clock synchronisation cannot be absolute does not mean that it is impossible to understand. It just means that synchronisation must be a matter of conventional choice.Arup Biswas said:Synchronisation is not possible for us to understand
Yes, two (ideal) synchronized clocks at rest in the same inertial frame will remain synchronized forever.Rishi Tharun said:Will the synchronized clocks placed in an inertial frame remain synchronized forever?
There is nothing to "lose", to a moving observer they were never in sync. The two clocks can be observed in sync and not in sync depending on the inertial frame chosen for the observation, it's just a matter of perspective. Yet, that doesn't make it "apparent" either, it just means that synchronization is relative.Rishi Tharun said:To an observer moving relative to the frame, will they appear to lose their sync?