Synchronous machine stator current

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on how the stator current of a synchronous machine can be varied while maintaining a constant load. Participants explore the relationship between excitation, power factor, and phasor diagrams in this context.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that changing the power factor can alter the stator current, but questions how this is possible if the load remains constant.
  • Another participant proposes that varying the excitation of the machine allows for changes in stator current, provided the machine is connected to the grid, where frequency and terminal voltage are constant.
  • A participant notes that increasing excitation leads to an increase in induced voltage, which results in additional current flowing between the machine and other machines, rather than through the load.
  • It is mentioned that while the active power supplied by the machine remains constant, the reactive power increases as the total current increases and the power factor decreases.
  • Some participants express that the phasor diagrams provided may not accurately reflect the conditions of constant terminal voltage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that changing excitation affects stator current, but there is uncertainty regarding the implications of power factor changes and the accuracy of the phasor diagrams presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about terminal voltage and the conditions under which the synchronous machine operates. The relationship between power factor, excitation, and stator current is not fully clarified.

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Homework Statement



Explain how the synchronous machine stator current can be varied if the load is constant. Justify your answer with phasor diagrams.

2. The attempt at a solution

If load is constant then load angle, the angle between induced e.m.f. and terminal voltage remains the same. Phase angle is the angle between stator current and terminal voltage, so if I change power factor that will alter stator current? But how can power factor be changed if the load is constant? Does this make any sense?

Are these the phasor diagrams that are expected to see?

Thank you for your comments.
 

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This can be achieved by changing the excitation of the machine. But the alternator must be connected to the grid or infinite bus to make this happen. In this situation, frequency(rpm of the generator) and terminal voltage are constant as the machine is tied synchronously with the grid. Now if the excitation of the machine is increased, induced voltage(or generated emf) increases and supplies a current to other machines. This way, this extra current flows between the machine and other machines and not through the load. This current is superposed on the load current of the machine. One interesting thing is that the total current I of the machine increases and its power factor decreases such that IcosΦ remains constant. This way, the active power(kW) supplied by the machine is constant but the reactive power supplied(RkVA) increases.
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Thank you, it starts making sense now, so changing excitation will alter stator current. I think my phasor diagrams show all that, don't they?
 
bizuputyi said:
Thank you, it starts making sense now, so changing excitation will alter stator current. I think my phasor diagrams show all that, don't they?
In your phasor diagrams, terminal voltage V is not constant. I believe they are showing the effect of armature reaction on the terminal voltage of an isolated generator at different power factors. You can google "alternator on constant load and variable excitation" or refer any good machinery book to learn this in terms of phasor diagram.
 
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Right, that seems a good phrase to google with. Thank you.
 

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