Tangent will not meet the curve again

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that a tangent line to a curve does not intersect the curve again. The subject area includes concepts from calculus, particularly related to tangents, curves, and properties of functions such as concavity and convexity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants suggest checking the equation of the tangent for solutions and exploring the properties of the curve's concavity through its second derivative. Questions arise regarding the relationship between concavity and the tangent's behavior relative to the curve.

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There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, including the use of graphical methods and mathematical properties. Some participants have provided hints and references to external resources, but no consensus has been reached on a specific approach or solution.

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Participants are considering the implications of convexity and concavity in relation to the problem, and there is mention of the need for a Cartesian equation of the curve. The discussion includes references to specific values and derivatives, indicating a focus on mathematical analysis.

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can anyone give me hint on how to show the tangent will not meet the curve again?

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Just plug your coordinates in the equation for the tangent and look for all solutions?
 
delsoo said:

Homework Statement



can anyone give me hint on how to show the tangent will not meet the curve again?

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The Attempt at a Solution


You can try to check the convexity (or concavity) properties of the curve ##y = Y(x)##, by checking the second derivative ##d^2 y / dx^2##.
 
what's the relationship between checking the concavity and show the curve will not meet the tangent again?
 
delsoo said:
what's the relationship between checking the concavity and show the curve will not meet the tangent again?

Have you tried sketching the curve?
 
delsoo said:
what's the relationship between checking the concavity and show the curve will not meet the tangent again?

Google "convex function" or "concave function". See, eg., http://ece.tamu.edu/~cui/ECEN629/lecture2.pdf slide 4.
 
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It might be simplest to eliminate the parameter and write a Cartesian equation for this curve:
[itex]x= ln(cos(\theta)[/itex] so [itex]e^x= cos(\theta)[/itex] and [itex]y= ln(sin(\theta)[/itex] so [itex]e^y= sin(\theta)[/itex]. Then [itex]e^{2x}+ e^{2y}= cos^2(\theta)+ sin^2(\theta)= 1[/itex]. Of course, for [itex]0< \theta< \pi/2[/itex], [itex]cos(\theta)[/itex] goes from 1 to 0 so x goes from 0 to [itex]-\infty[/itex] and y goes from [itex]-\infty[/itex] to 0. The graph is in the third quadrant.

At [itex]\theta= \pi/4[/itex], [itex]y= x= -(1/2)ln(2)[/itex] so that [itex]e^{2y}= e^{2x}= 2^{-1/2}= 1/2[/itex]. Further, differentiating [itex]e^{2x}+ e^{2y}= 1[/itex], [itex]2e^{2x}+ 2e^{2y}y'= 0[/itex] so, at [itex](1/2, 1/2)[/itex], [itex]y'= -1[/itex]. The tangent line is [itex]y= -1(x+ (1/2)ln(2))- (1/2)ln(2)= -x- ln(2)[/itex] and the question becomes solving [itex]e^{2x}+ e^{2(-x- ln(2)}= e^{2x}- (1/2)e^{-2x}= 1[/itex].
 

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