I Tangential electric force at a surface

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The discussion centers on the behavior of tangential electric forces at an infinite plane of uniform charge density. It posits that the tangential electric force may be zero due to symmetry, as electric field lines would cancel out in the tangential direction. However, the introduction of an additional uniform electric field parallel to the plane complicates this, as it still satisfies Maxwell's equations while altering the tangential components. The continuity of tangential electric fields across the surface is questioned, particularly regarding their parallelism and magnitude on either side of the plane. Ultimately, the analysis reveals that while symmetry suggests a zero tangential force, the presence of other fields and boundary conditions can lead to non-zero tangential components.
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Suppose you have an infinite plane of charge. If the surface charge density is uniform, would the tangential electric force always be zero, even if it is not a conductor nor static? My thought process for this is that if you look at each point charge and draw the electric field lines, then at any point on the surface the electric field in the tangential direction should cancel by symmetry?

I also have a followup question. I know by Maxwell's equations, the tangential electric force is continuous for any surface. However, this doesn't make much sense to me because the tangential fields on each side of the surface are by definition parallel to each other. So does it even make sense to say they are continuous or not?

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josephsanders said:
Suppose you have an infinite plane of charge. If the surface charge density is uniform, would the tangential electric force always be zero, even if it is not a conductor nor static? My thought process for this is that if you look at each point charge and draw the electric field lines, then at any point on the surface the electric field in the tangential direction should cancel by symmetry?
It seems reasonable to take the tangential component of E to be zero so that the direction of E at any point off of the plane is perpendicular to the plane.

However, you could add to this field a uniform electric field parallel to the infinite plane and the total E field would still satisfy Maxwell's equations! Seems strange, but Maxwell's equations are differential equations and a particular solution to the equations depends on the specification of boundary conditions for the field.

josephsanders said:
I also have a followup question. I know by Maxwell's equations, the tangential electric force is continuous for any surface. However, this doesn't make much sense to me because the tangential fields on each side of the surface are by definition parallel to each other. So does it even make sense to say they are continuous or not?
Let the z-axis be perpendicular to the plane so that the x and y axes are parallel to the plane. It does not follow from the definition of "tangential field" that the tangential fields on each side of the plane must be parallel to each other. If the tangential component of the field on one side is in the x-direction while the tangential field on the other side is in the y-direction, then you would have tangential fields that are not parallel to each other.

Even if the tangential fields on each side are parallel, they might not have the same magnitude. Then, the tangential field would not be continuous across the surface.
 
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Your charge distribution can be described by
$$\rho(\vec{x})=\sigma \delta(x_3),$$
where ##\sigma=\text{const}## is your uniform surface-charge density.

By symmetry the electrostatic potential should only be a function of ##x_3##. Then the Poisson equation reads
$$\Delta \Phi =\Phi''(x_3) = -\frac{\sigma}{\epsilon_0} \delta(x_3).$$
For ##x_3 \neq 0## solution obviously is
$$\Phi(x_3)=A x_3 +B,$$
where ##A## and ##B## take different values for ##x_3<0## and ##x_3>0## to get the singularities to make up the ##\delta## distribution on the right-hand side of the equation. We can set ##B=0## on both sides, because this still satisfies the continuity condition for ##\Phi## at ##x_3=0##. So we get
$$\Phi(x_3)=A_< x_3 \Theta(-x_3) + A_> x_3 \Theta(x_3).$$
Integrating the Poisson equation over a little interval ##(-\epsilon,\epsilon)## and then letting ##\epsilon \rightarrow 0^+## leads to
$$\Phi'(0^+)-\Phi'^(-0^+)=A_>-A_<=-\frac{\sigma}{\epsilon_0}.$$
By reflection symmetry ##\vec{E}(x_3)=-\vec{E}(-\vec{x}_3)##, which means ##A_<=-A_>##, you get
$$A_>=-A_<=-\frac{\sigma}{2 \epsilon_0}$$
and thus
$$\vec{E}=\vec{e}_3 \frac{\sigma}{2 \epsilon_0} [\Theta(x_3)-\Theta(-x_3)].$$
 
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TSny said:
It seems reasonable to take the tangential component of E to be zero so that the direction of E at any point off of the plane is perpendicular to the plane.

However, you could add to this field a uniform electric field parallel to the infinite plane and the total E field would still satisfy Maxwell's equations! Seems strange, but Maxwell's equations are differential equations and a particular solution to the equations depends on the specification of boundary conditions for the field.Let the z-axis be perpendicular to the plane so that the x and y axes are parallel to the plane. It does not follow from the definition of "tangential field" that the tangential fields on each side of the plane must be parallel to each other. If the tangential component of the field on one side is in the x-direction while the tangential field on the other side is in the y-direction, then you would have tangential fields that are not parallel to each other.

Even if the tangential fields on each side are parallel, they might not have the same magnitude. Then, the tangential field would not be continuous across the surface.
Thank you so much! This really helped clear my head about it :)
 
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