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Taxpayers funding Christian anti-science private schools

  1. Jun 25, 2012 #1

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    This is wrong in so many ways. If you want to send your child to a private school, fine, but you should not be able to use public tax dollars. We have public schools paid for by tax dollars.

    How the hell can this happen?

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sidesho...-debunk-evolution-state-funded-190816504.html
     
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  3. Jun 25, 2012 #2

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    So sad... How can people believe this crap and allow (require) it to be taught to children to perpetuate that ignorance?
     
  4. Jun 25, 2012 #3
    Basically it looks like someone or some group is trying hard to discredit this private school voucher system by holding up an extreme, or freak, as par for the course. I'd study the whole issue in much more depth rather than decide based on this one story.
     
  5. Jun 25, 2012 #4
    It's worse than that, people who *don't* believe it have to pay to have it taught...
     
  6. Jun 25, 2012 #5

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    There should not be a tax payer paid private school system that is religion based. If you want your kid to go to any private religious school, that's up to you and at your expense.
     
  7. Jun 25, 2012 #6
    This is so BS. Government is encouraging more science/math education in schools but at same time tax money is going for exactly the opposite causes.
     
  8. Jun 25, 2012 #7

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    That is a great rule, but in Jindall's little kingdom apparently anything goes. It would really tick me off to be a taxpayer down there and see my tax-money being used to mislead kids with religious-based nonsense. If parents want to have their kids "educated" with such foolishness, they should pay for it.
     
  9. Jun 25, 2012 #8

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    It's really shocking that what constitutes education in this country is left up to the state and local level. That means that there is no minimum standard of education for this country's children.

    Is there any wonder why America is so far behind academically?

    How can we allow this country's children to not only be taught crackpottery, but they aren't even exposed to the truth?

    What the hell are people thinking?
     
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  10. Jun 25, 2012 #9

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    What the hell are "bible-based math books"?

    Never mind. Off topic and I'm afraid to find out.
     
  11. Jun 25, 2012 #10

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    I was wondering that also.
     
  12. Jun 25, 2012 #11
    :rofl:
     
  13. Jun 25, 2012 #12

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    Maybe that involves equating millions of years of natural history with 6000 years... I really hope that's not the case, but I wouldn't put it past a fundamentalist christian school. Why are we paying for this?
     
  14. Jun 25, 2012 #13
    Andy Schlafly (son of prominent conservative figure Phyllis Schlafly) is on record describing complex analysis as a "secular" and "liberal" invention, so I'm sure these institutions could politicize mathematics if they chose to.
     
  15. Jun 25, 2012 #14

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    The thing is, the people that have been pushing for using tax payer money for private schools are mostly christian fundamentalists. How can tax payer funds be given to religious sects?
     
  16. Jun 25, 2012 #15

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_voucher#United_States
     
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  18. Jun 25, 2012 #17

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    The "fact" that pi = 3 exactly springs to mind, but I can't quote you the exact chapter and verse.
     
  19. Jun 25, 2012 #18

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    Oh. I was thinking it might be something like:

    A volume of 1 seah = 7.33 liters or 7.33dm3

    and areas are determined by how many seah of barley seed is needed to sow that area.
     
  20. Jun 25, 2012 #19
    When I heard Bible-based math book, this came to my mind:

    http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hell.htm

    Let alone for the fact the "Bible-based science" teaching is probably incorrect, what they are doing there in Louisiana is also a violation of the 1st amendment, since it uses public funds for religious education.

    In 1968, a Supreme Court case in Flast vs. Cohen outlawed the allocation of public funds to religious non-secular teaching. I wonder what has happened since then?

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  21. Jun 25, 2012 #20
    Bible based math.

    http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/52381.html

    They should encounter a problem with 0 since it didn't exist in the bible.:rolleyes:
     
  22. Jun 26, 2012 #21
    This is awful...yet not surprising. We're headed in the Idiocracy direction.
     
  23. Jun 26, 2012 #22

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    This is just my personal opinion but even though it is private that's no excuse for teaching rubbish to children. Parents and guardians have a duty of care to children that should include providing them with a certain level of education. Private schools should still have their curriculum regulated to ensure a minimum standard. I'm not sure about the US but we do have legislation for this in the UK though I've heard of many stories in recent years of private faith schools using loopholes like teaching the bare minimum of biology and then maxing out on their "religious studies" so that creationism is presented to children as the dominant theory regarding the origin of life and biological diversity. Dawkins did a documentary about it to highlight how either the rules weren't being enforced or needed to be stricter, there was a clip of him going into a science class in a private muslim school and finding that the teacher didn't (and in some cases couldn't) answer the children's criticisms of evolution.
     
  24. Jun 26, 2012 #23
    Actually, it shouldn't even be allowed regardless if the parents pay for it. Children are required by law to be educated. That's a good law. Well, children who go to these schools are not being educated.
     
  25. Jun 26, 2012 #24
    Given the poor results of public schools I can’t help but wonder if the issue is a red-herring. If the schools don’t produce good results then I can’t see why parents would be lining up to send their kids to these schools. In Canada we have an alternative Catholic school system in some provinces and many non-Catholics try to get their kids into these schools. I also think that the phrase, “tax payer funded” is a bit “incendiary” as parents who send their kids to private schools still are taxed for kids that go to public schools. Do these voucher’s provide enough to compensate for these cost? I suspect for someone in a high tax bracket they wouldn’t.
     
  26. Jun 26, 2012 #25
    Parents who enrol their children in religious schools (particularly schools with a more protestant and evangelical bent) tend to do so for ideological reasons; their objections to public schools centre largely around "secularism" and the lack of a Godly education. Catholic schools, by and large, are very good, with many of them being better than their public counterparts, but they also tend not to teach the nonsense described in this thread.

    Honestly, I'm really not all that concerned that people who make lots of money are paying taxes so that other people's children can go to school.
     
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