Taylor Polynomial Approximations

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The discussion revolves around Taylor polynomial approximations for a function with known derivatives at a specific point. The original poster presents a problem involving the construction of second and third-degree Taylor polynomials centered at x = 1, and their use to approximate function values at points 0.7 and 1.2, as well as the derivative at 1.2.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Taylor series formula and the significance of the given derivative values. There is an exploration of how to construct the Taylor polynomials by plugging in the known values and the center of expansion. Questions arise regarding the notation used in the series and the placement of factorials in the formula.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to set up the Taylor series and have clarified the role of the center of expansion. There is an ongoing exploration of the polynomial construction, with attempts to evaluate the approximations for specific values. Multiple interpretations of the notation and approach are being discussed, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as presented, focusing on the specific derivatives and their evaluations at given points. There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding notation and the structure of the Taylor series.

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Homework Statement



Let f be a function that has derivatives of all orders for all real numbers.
Assume f(1) = 3, f'(1) = -2, f''(1) = 2, and f'''(1) = 4

a. Write the second-degree Taylor polynomial for f about x = 1 and use it to approximate f(0.7)

b. Write the third-degree Taylor polynomial for f about x = 1 and use it to approximate f(1.2)

a. Write the second-degree Taylor polynomial for f', derivate of f about x = 1 and use it to approximate f'(1.2)



The Attempt at a Solution



I want to use the taylor series formula:

Pn(x) = f(c) + f'(c)(x-c) + f''(c)(x-c)^2/(2!) + f'''(c)(x-c)^3/(3!) + ...

It seems just a matter of plugging in for a and b...but I'm not sure how to start this.
 
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There is a reason why you are given the values f(1) = 3, f'(1) = -2, f''(1) = 2, and f'''(1) = 4. This is because you are expected to simply plug them in, along with each constant c, which is just the point you are "expanding about," in this case, 1. Seems simple enough huh? Thus, you plug the various derivatives and c into the Taylor Series:

Pn(x) = f(c) + f'(c)(x-c) + f''(c)(x-c)^2/(2!) + f'''(c)(x-c)^3/(3!)
Pn(x) = 3 - 2(x-1) + 2(x-1)^2/(2!) + 4(x-1)^3/(3!)

For part b, now we have a third-degree Taylor Series expansion polynomial to approximate f(1.2)!
Now we just plug in 1.2 for X into the equation we've developed and solve:
Pn(1.2) = 3 - 2(1.2-1) + 2(1.2-1)^2/(2!) + 4(1.2-1)^3/(3!) = some number

Do the same thing for part a except use Pn(x) = f(c) + f'(c)(x-c) + f''(c)(x-c)^2/(2!)
since they only want a second degree expansion. The degree simply means up to which derivative will we carry out the expansion.

For part C, we can actually use the result from part a and just take it's derivative to get f', then evaluate that at x = 1.2
 
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ok, for c...I found this as the derivate for the taylor series...but i was wondering where the denominator went? n!


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the n!'s are in the c's. you are mixing notation. in your first post, c represents the center; in your second post, a represents the center. my suggestion is to read Maru's post again; everything you need to know is in there.
 
Maru said:
There is a reason why you are given the values f(1) = 3, f'(1) = -2, f''(1) = 2, and f'''(1) = 4. This is because you are expected to simply plug them in, along with each constant c, which is just the point you are "expanding about," in this case, 1. Seems simple enough huh? Thus, you plug the various derivatives and c into the Taylor Series:

Pn(x) = f(c) + f'(c)(x-c) + f''(c)(x-c)^2/(2!) + f'''(c)(x-c)^3/(3!)
Pn(x) = 3 - 2(x-1) + 2(x-1)^2/(2!) + 4(x-1)^3/(3!)

For part b, now we have a third-degree Taylor Series expansion polynomial to approximate f(1.2)!
Now we just plug in 1.2 for X into the equation we've developed and solve:
Pn(1.2) = 3 - 2(1.2-1) + 2(1.2-1)^2/(2!) + 4(1.2-1)^3/(3!) = some number

Do the same thing for part a except use Pn(x) = f(c) + f'(c)(x-c) + f''(c)(x-c)^2/(2!)
since they only want a second degree expansion. The degree simply means up to which derivative will we carry out the expansion.

For part C, we can actually use the result from part a and just take it's derivative to get f', then evaluate that at x = 1.2

ok, I'm pretty sure i got c now. I didnt bring up the denominator

f = 3 - 2(x-1) + 1(x-1)^2 + 2/3(x-1)^3

f' = 0 - 2 + 2(x - 1) + 2(x-2)^2

f'(1.2) = -2 + 2(1.2 - 1) + 2(1.2 - 2)^2
f'(1.2) = -1.52

for a I got 3.69
for b I got 2.6453
 

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