Taylor Polynomials- Lagrange remainder

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The discussion revolves around understanding Taylor polynomials and the Lagrange remainder theorem, particularly in the context of estimating the value of the exponential function using a third-degree Taylor polynomial. Participants are exploring how to select appropriate intervals for applying the theorem and how to determine the error bounds associated with their estimates.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the selection of intervals (a,b) that contain the point Xo and how this affects the application of the Lagrange remainder theorem. There are questions about the implications of choosing larger versus smaller intervals and how to identify the value Z that maximizes the error within the specified range.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationship between the interval choice and the error estimation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the fourth derivative and its role in determining error bounds, but no consensus has been reached on the best practices for interval selection.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of estimating the exponential function using Taylor polynomials and are considering the implications of the derivatives involved in the remainder term. There is an acknowledgment that determining the maximum error can be complex, especially for more complicated functions.

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So I'm studying for a final, and it just so happens my professor threw taylor polynomials at us in the last week.. I understand the concept of a taylor polynomial but i need some help fully understand the LaGrange remainder theorem

if we have a function that has n derivatives on the interval [a,b] and n+1 derivatives on (a,b). fix a point Xo \in (a,b). then for any x \in (a,b) there exists a number Z between Xo and x ...put z into the lagrange formula and it gives you the bounds on the error from what i understand?

The issue I am having is how to we pick the interval (a,b) ...

for example in the text the most basic question is ex
if i wanted to estimate the value of e with a 3rd degree taylor polynomial then I calculate the 4 derivatives of ex (which are all the same) put the first 3 derivatives in a taylor series.. and then for the remainder term use the fourth derivative and then ?

let Xo = 1 ... then the interval (a,b) needs to contain 1. so for example can i pick the interval (1/2, 6) or is it better to have a smaller interval?
 
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Because you're picking z between x0 and x, it doesn't matter what (a,b) is as long as it contains x0 and x. If you want to use the Taylor series for ex centered around 1 to estimate e2, you could do two things:

1) Look at the interval (0,3). We apply the theorem to find a point in the interval [1,2] that we can plug into the fourth derivative to find the error.

2) Suppose we instead look at the interval (0,5). Then we would still find the same point in [1,2] that we would use to find the error. The extra part of the interval doesn't do anything here
 
so for the remainder term... if Xo = 1 ... the point its centered around I am assuming... and
x = 2 for estimating e2 I should pick a value Z in [1,2] such that it creates the maximum amount of error i may get ?
 
rambo5330 said:
I should pick a value Z in [1,2] such that it creates the maximum amount of error i may get ?

There exists a value Z in [1,2] that gives you the error. It's hard in general to figure out what it is, but we can take a look at what the remainder theorem to get a decent upper bound

The error is \leq \frac{2-1}{4!} f^{(4)}(Z) where f(x)=e^x. Z is some number that we don't know immediately (probably can't calculate it at all in fact), but we do know that f^{(4)}(x) = e^x is an increasing function, so is largest at x=2 on [1,2]. Therefore the upper bound for our error is \frac{1}{4!} e^2=.31 (here f(4) is the fourth derivative)

If we had a more complicated function it would be harder to find out what the maximum of its derivatives are
 

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