Teflon-steel friction coefficients

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamic friction coefficient between Teflon and steel, specifically in the context of Teflon-X interactions, where "X" represents various surfaces. Participants are seeking reliable data and exploring factors that influence friction coefficients, such as contact stress and lubricants.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the dynamic friction coefficient for Teflon-X interactions can be assumed to be around 0.04 for both static and kinetic friction, but they caution that sources should be verified.
  • Others argue that the coefficient of friction is influenced by various factors, including contact stress, lubricants, and additives, with potential values ranging from 0.4 at low contact stress to 0.02 at high contact stress.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in finding specific data for Teflon-X interactions and requests clarification on the sources provided.
  • Another participant mentions a report indicating a friction range of 0.05 to 0.2 for stainless steel-Teflon interactions, which contrasts with the wider range previously discussed.
  • There is a request for data or formulas that could assist in simulating the friction in multibody software, noting the absence of lubricants and specific Teflon type information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the dynamic friction coefficient values, as multiple competing views and uncertainties about the influence of various factors remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions such as contact stress and the type of Teflon used, which are not fully defined in the discussion. There is also a lack of consensus on the appropriate values to use for simulations.

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Hi guys,

I need the dynamic friction coefficient between steel and teflon. Do you know where I can get it?

Thanks
 
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Take these with a grain of salt (ie, YOU double check their sources to make sure they're correct before just using the values).


http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/friction-coefficients-d_778.html"
and
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/GarvinTam.shtml"

It looks like you can reasonably assume 0.04 for both \mu_{s} and \mu_{k} for most teflon-X interactions.
 
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AIR&SPACE said:
Take these with a grain of salt (ie, YOU double check their sources to make sure they're correct before just using the values).


http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/friction-coefficients-d_778.html"
and
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/GarvinTam.shtml"

It looks like you can reasonably assume 0.04 for both \mu_{s} and \mu_{k} for most teflon-X interactions.

Thanks but I haven't found in your links the dynamic friction coefficient of teflon-X interactions.
 
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Hi sebring. The coefficient of friction is a function of contact stress, lubricants, and the type of additives and reinforcement fibers. Additives include things like molydisulfide which is a commonly used dry lubricant. Dynamic friction coefficient can vary from about 0.4 if contact stress is low (aprox. 20 psi or less) to about 0.02 for high contact stress (aprox. 1000 psi or more). That's obviously a very wide range so if it's important, you really need to test it given the actual conditions you will have.
 
serbring said:
Thanks but I haven't found in your links the dynamic friction coefficient of teflon-X interactions.

Just so I'm clear, my notation of "teflon-X" is supposed to mean teflon-(some other surface).

With this in mind, it should be pretty easy to find the coefficients. Let me know if you still have trouble.
 
AIR&SPACE said:
Just so I'm clear, my notation of "teflon-X" is supposed to mean teflon-(some other surface).

With this in mind, it should be pretty easy to find the coefficients. Let me know if you still have trouble.

I have understood this, but I haven't found that data, please may you show me where you get this in your links?

thanks
 
Q_Goest said:
Hi sebring. The coefficient of friction is a function of contact stress, lubricants, and the type of additives and reinforcement fibers. Additives include things like molydisulfide which is a commonly used dry lubricant. Dynamic friction coefficient can vary from about 0.4 if contact stress is low (aprox. 20 psi or less) to about 0.02 for high contact stress (aprox. 1000 psi or more). That's obviously a very wide range so if it's important, you really need to test it given the actual conditions you will have.


I need to simulate it in a multibody software, so I can take into account some special effects in a formula. In my case no lubrificants are used and unfortunately I have no data about the teflon type, I know just roller dimensions.
However I have found a report about stainless steel-teflon friction and I couldn't imagine it has a so wide range: from 0.05 to 0.2 :(
Do you have some data or formulas you think it could be useful for me
 
serbring said:
I have understood this, but I haven't found that data, please may you show me where you get this in your links?

thanks

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Oh thanks, but in the second link there are just static friction in dried contact and in greased contact, instead in the other one there is just friction for teflon-different kind of teflon :(

however thanks a lot
 

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