Temperature inside a box as particles escape a small hole

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a perfect gas escaping from a container through a small hole into a vacuum. Participants are tasked with finding an expression for the temperature inside the box, starting from an initial temperature.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the average kinetic energy of particles and temperature, questioning the implications of energy loss as particles escape. There are attempts to derive expressions for temperature changes and energy loss rates.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some have raised questions about the definitions of variables and the physical meaning of energy differences between escaping and contained particles. Guidance has been offered regarding LaTeX formatting, but no consensus on the solution has been reached.

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Participants are navigating through assumptions about particle energy and the definitions of terms like particle flux and effusion rate. There is uncertainty about the need for integration in the solution process and the implications of changing temperature over time.

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Homework Statement


Edit: Thanks to gneill for showing me the LaTeX ropes. Equations should work now.

A perfect gas enclosed within a container escapes into vacuum through a small circular hole. The particle flux through the hole is ##\frac{nc}{4}## and the energy per particle escaping can be found to be 2kT. Assuming that the volume of the container is fixed, find an expression for the temperature inside the box starting with an initial temperature of ##T_o##.

Homework Equations


$$J_n = \frac{nc}{4}$$
$$E_{avg} = \frac{3}{2}kT$$
$$E_{esc} = 2kT$$
$$R_{eff} = \frac{PA}{\sqrt{2\pi MRT}}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


Temperature is simply an average of the kinetic energy of all the particles. So before any particles escape, the average kinetic energy in the box is

$$E_{0} = \frac{3}{2}kT_o$$

The average kinetic energy will drop by the rate of effusion times the average kinetic energy of the escaping particles, or

$$KE_{box} = \frac{3}{2}kT_o - \frac{PA}{\sqrt{2\pi MRT_o}}*2kT_o$$

I don't think this is quite right though. It needs an integration somewhere from ##T_o## to 0? Any nudges in the right direction are appreciated.
 
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To have your LaTeX syntax recognized you need to surround it with tags. The tags for inline equations are double hash marks (#). If you use double dollar signs ($) instead, the equation will be placed centered on its own line and in a larger font.

Here's an example:

The following equation is inline in this line of text ##J_n = \frac{nc}{4}## as you can see. The next one will be placed on its own line $$E_{avg} = \frac{3}{2}kT$$ all by itself and with a larger font.

If you Reply to this post you'll be able to see the embedded tags in the quote.
 
Kind of out of my line, but why would the particle energy leaving the box be greater than the particle energy inside the box?

And what happened to nc/4 and what are the symbols and units? Isn't THAT the effusion rate rather than your equation for Reff?
 
igowithit said:
I don't think this is quite right though. It needs an integration somewhere from ToToT_o to 0? Any nudges in the right direction are appreciated.
The temperature is falling, so the rate of energy loss falls over time. Write an expression for the rate of loss of energy as a function of the temperature at some arbitrary moment.
What are n and c, or is it a single variable nc?
 

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