Temperature regulation in Earth orbit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the temperature regulation of objects in orbit around the Earth, particularly focusing on how shading and thermal management can influence temperatures in space. Participants explore theoretical limits, comparisons with the Moon, and the effects of various environmental factors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the potential temperature of an object kept shaded in orbit, suggesting a range of -100 to +260 Celsius.
  • Another participant cites NASA data indicating that without thermal controls, temperatures can reach 121C on the sun-facing side and -157C on the dark side of the ISS.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the -157C figure, seeking clarification on how this temperature is derived.
  • It is proposed that with purpose-designed passive regulation, temperatures could theoretically approach the temperature of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) or the sun's temperature.
  • Discussion includes the CMB's temperature of 2.7K (-270C) and the cold temperatures found in lunar craters, which can reach 26K.
  • Another point raised is that in low Earth orbit, thermal radiation from Earth contributes to the temperature of orbiting objects.
  • Participants note the significance of Earth's albedo and atmospheric thermal contributions in determining the thermal environment for objects in orbit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specific temperatures achievable in orbit and the factors influencing these temperatures. There is no consensus on the exact limits or conditions for temperature regulation in space.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of thermal regulation in space, noting dependencies on various factors such as shading, albedo, and thermal radiation from Earth, which complicate straightforward calculations of temperature.

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If I had an object in an orbit around the Earth that I kept continually shaded from the sun, how cold would it get?
Assuming the shade device was not physically connected to and was sufficiently far away from the object to not radiate any heat to it.

And if I actively adjusted how much shade the object was under could I regulate the temperature to anything I wanted?
Between -100 and +260 celsius I would guess?
Assuming an orbit in continuous sunlight.

Would it be any different on the Moon?
 
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Treva31 said:
Between -100 and +260 celsius I would guess?
Assuming an orbit in continuous sunlight.
According to NASA (based on the ISS experience) it would be 121C to -157C:

Without thermal controls, the temperature of the orbiting Space Station's Sun-facing side would soar to 250 degrees F (121 C), while thermometers on the dark side would plunge to minus 250 degrees F (-157 C).

Would it be any different on the Moon?
It would be different on the moon depending on the location. It can get pretty cold on some parts of the polar regions of the moon that are sheltered from the sun and the earth. See this NASA temperature map of the moon.

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I could understand 121C as it the Stefan Boltzmann equivalent temperature for the Solar flux density of 1360W/m2. But, how are we getting -157C, that I did not understand.
 
Andrew Mason said:
That's not actually an answer to the OP's question. That's the answer for a particular system, if unregulated. The OP is asking what you can get with purpose-designed passive regulation (a heat shield and insulation). In theory, the answers should be:

1. As cold as arbitrarily close to the CMB temperature
2. As hot as arbitrarily close to the sun's temperature.
[3. Anything in between.]

I'm not sure why anyone would test the upper limit, but googling gives me one example down to 60K (-213C):

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.re...itude_orbit_control_in_micro- spacecraft /amp
 
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Anand Sivaram said:
I could understand 121C as it the Stefan Boltzmann equivalent temperature for the Solar flux density of 1360W/m2. But, how are we getting -157C, that I did not understand.
When shaded from the sun and nearby planets, the only thing an object radiates against is the CMB.
 
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CMB has a temperature of 2.7K or -270C. But, Moon craters are one of the coldest places in the entire solar system at 26K. Any reason for this difference?
 
Don't forget, that in (low) orbit around Earth a little under a half-sphere of thermal radiation input comes from Earth. Also, for overall considerations one can usually safely ignore CMB thermal input when there are other (significant) sources around.
 
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That could be a valid point, the Earth has an average albedo of 0.3, that would mean that we are reflecting 30 percent of solar energy back to space.
 
Anand Sivaram said:
CMB has a temperature of 2.7K or -270C. But, Moon craters are one of the coldest places in the entire solar system at 26K. Any reason for this difference?
The moon is a big rock and it stores heat.
Anand Sivaram said:
That could be a valid point, the Earth has an average albedo of 0.3, that would mean that we are reflecting 30 percent of solar energy back to space.
When you're trying to get something reeeaaally cold, that's a lot. Also it's not really about Earth's albedo, but its radiation temperature. If an object in LEO has a side facing Earth, Earth fills up most of its field of view on one side. So the minimum temperature on that side is the night-time temperature of Earth.
 
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Anand Sivaram said:
That could be a valid point, the Earth has an average albedo of 0.3, that would mean that we are reflecting 30 percent of solar energy back to space.

Its not just albedo radiation, there is also a thermal contribution from the atmosphere itself. For "first-order precise" work one can consider the Earth to be a spheric black body radiator at around -20 deg C. See [1] for a description relevant to a nano-sat and [2] for a similar question answered on stackexchange.

[1] http://webapp.tudelft.nl/proceedings/ect2012/pdf/chandras.pdf
[2] https://space.stackexchange.com/que...temperature-of-a-satellite-orbiting-the-earth
 
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