Tension in a Rope from Lowering Down and Friction Braking Torque at Stop

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a mass being lowered by a rope, focusing on the tension in the rope during a braking scenario involving a motor and a disc brake. The subject area includes concepts of tension, friction, and rotational dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between braking torque and rope tension, with some attempting calculations based on given forces. Questions arise regarding the effect of varying speeds on the tension in the rope during braking.

Discussion Status

Participants are sharing their interpretations and calculations regarding the tension in the rope, with some expressing uncertainty about the assumptions made in the calculations. There is a recognition of the counterintuitive nature of the results, particularly concerning the effects of speed on tension.

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Some participants note the need for an attempted solution as part of the homework guidelines, and there is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions regarding the inextensibility of the rope and spring in the scale.

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Homework Statement
Tension of Rope from Lowering Down and Friction Braking Torque at Stopping (With Full Power Braking)
Relevant Equations
F = m.a
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(The weight scale = 10 kg).
After initial force, now the mass is lowering down at constant speed of 1 m/s.

The motor with pulley's radius of 1 meter is exerted 100 Newton m to keep constant V.
The motor speed is about 9.55 rpm.

* All other weights, inertia and frictions of the system is neglected

The dynamic friction / torque braking of Electric Mechanical disc brake at motor's shaft is 150 Nm.
If the motor sudden / abruptly stopping (full braking) that moving mass_by Emergency Stop Push Button,
what is the (max) Tension of the rope?

Is the rope's Tension the same if the dynamic friction / torque braking 200 Nm or 300 Nm?
 
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Don’t mean to be that guy, but usually you need to submit an attempted solution.
 
Alex Petrosyan said:
Don’t mean to be that guy, but usually you need to submit an attempted solution.
Well, I think the force tension is 150 N.
F = Fbrk - Fmass
F = 150 N - 100 N
F = 50 N

Then F total is,
Ftot = F + Fmass
Ftot = 50 + 100
Ftot = 150 N.
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But I wonder if the speed much slower, 0.1 m/s and if the speed higher 10 m/s,
by the equation above the tension of rope at braking is still the same = 150 N.
 
Herbid said:
Well, I think the force tension is 150 N.
F = Fbrk - Fmass
F = 150 N - 100 N
F = 50 N

Then F total is,
Ftot = F + Fmass
Ftot = 50 + 100
Ftot = 150 N.
========

But I wonder if the speed much slower, 0.1 m/s and if the speed higher 10 m/s,
by the equation above the tension of rope at braking is still the same = 150 N.
I don't follow your calculation (what is F?), but 150N looks right.
The answer is counterintuitive because you have to assume both the rope and the spring inside the scale are inextensible, which cannot be true in practice. That is why it feels like the answer should depend on the speed.
 

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