Tension in rope between falling objects

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The problem involves two point-like objects connected by a massless rope, suspended vertically and released near the Earth's surface. The objective is to determine the tension in the rope as the objects fall, considering the forces acting on each object.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up a force equation involving gravitational forces and tension but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their approach. Some participants suggest that multiple equations of motion should be considered for each particle, emphasizing the need to account for forces acting on individual objects. Others question whether the gravitational force between the two masses should be included in the tension calculation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for separate equations of motion for each object, and there is a consideration of the significance of mutual gravitational effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption that the gravitational force between the two masses may be negligible compared to other forces in the system. There is also a mention of simplifying assumptions regarding the distances involved.

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Two point-lie objects, each with mass m, are connected by a massless rope of length l. The objects are suspened vertically near the surface of Earth, so that one object is hanging below the other. Then the objects are released. How can I find the tension in the rope?
I know there 3 force, tension, Graviational Froce on each block. but how can I set them up?
my first thought was (M*m*G)/(R^2)+(M*m*G)/((R+l)^2)-T-(m*m*G)/(l^2)=(2m)G/(R^2). I know it's wrong but I don't know where's my mistake.
 
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First of all, I think it is sufficient to assume R^2 = (R+l)^2.

Secondly, there are two equations of motion (one for each particle), not just one, and in each equation you consider only the forces acting the given particle. On the lower particle you have 2 forces: tension up and gravity down. Similarly for the upper particle.

The most important observation to make is that if there is tension in the rope at all, the particles will accelerate with the same acceleration. This can be seen by noticing that the z-positions of the bodies differ by a constant (the length of the rope).
 
so is that the graviational force between the tow mass is counted as part of the tension
 
I see... I would tend to neglect the mutual gravitation of the two particles. It seems to me to be much smaller than the other quantities involved.
 

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