Tension in Wire: Free Body Diagram & Calculation

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving tension in a wire when a bird lands on it. The scenario includes two telephone poles spaced 50.0 meters apart, with the wire sagging 0.200 meters due to the bird's weight. Participants are tasked with drawing a free body diagram (FBD) and calculating the tension produced in the wire.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to assume the poles are of equal height and the implications of the bird being positioned midway. There is uncertainty about how to proceed without given angles for the tension calculation. Some suggest using the geometry of the situation to derive angles from the sag and distance.

Discussion Status

The conversation is progressing with participants exploring the relationships between the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the assumption of equal tension in the wires and the potential to derive angles from the given dimensions. However, there is still a lack of consensus on the next steps for solving the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of angles in the problem statement, which complicates their ability to resolve forces. The assumption that the weight of the wire can be ignored is also acknowledged.

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Homework Statement


the distance between two telephone poles is 50.0m when a 1.00kg bird lands on the telpephon wire midway between the poles, the wire sags .200 m. draw a FBD of the bird. How much tension does the bird produce in the wire? ignore the weight of the wire.


Homework Equations


f=,uN


The Attempt at a Solution


I got the free body diagram. but they don't give you any angles, so when i I am not sure how to proceed?
 
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Well, you need to assume the poles are of the same height. Now the bird is mid-way between the poles. This is important. With that information, what can you say about the tension in the wires that go from the bird to the poles? In what ratio are they? Then you can draw your FBD, and solve it how you like, by resolving the forces, or with a triangle of forces.
 
the tensions would be equal, so then i set up the triangles, but i can't use sin or cos because i don't have an angle
 
You do have an angle. The distance between the poles is 50m and the line sags 0.2m, you can get an angle from that information.
 
o0o right...i could do inverse tan and that would give me the angle
 

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