Tensor product in Cartesian coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the use of the tensor product in the context of perturbation theory, specifically examining the expression ##V'=\alpha xy## and its interpretation as ##V'=\alpha x \otimes y##. Participants explore the implications of this notation in different representations, particularly in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the notation ##V'=\alpha x \otimes y##, questioning how ##x## and ##y## can be treated as tensors when they are not matrices in coordinate representation.
  • Another participant suggests that context is needed, asking for a specific example to clarify the discussion.
  • A different participant asserts that while ##x## and ##y## are not matrices in coordinate representation, they can be viewed as matrices in other representations, such as momentum representation, and that in coordinate representation they can be treated as ordinary numbers for simplification.
  • One participant proposes the example of a 2D linear harmonic oscillator to provide context for the perturbation discussed.
  • Another participant explains that in a 1D quantum system, the state space is spanned by base kets, and that combining independent degrees of freedom leads to a Hilbert space represented as ##\mathcal{H}_{xy}=\mathcal{H}_{x}\otimes\mathcal{H}_{y}##, thus justifying the shorthand notation for the perturbation.
  • This participant references a source, Cohen-Tannoudji, to support their explanation of the tensor product in the context of quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the tensor product notation and the representations of ##x## and ##y##. There is no consensus on the confusion raised, as some seek clarification while others provide explanations that may not align.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on different representations in quantum mechanics and the potential for ambiguity in notation. The assumptions regarding the treatment of ##x## and ##y## as matrices or numbers are not fully resolved.

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I am confused. Why sometimes perturbation ##V'=\alpha xy## we can write as ##V'=\alpha x \otimes y##. I am confused because ##\otimes## is a tensor product and ##x## and ##y## are not matrices in coordinate representation. Can someone explain this?
 
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To explain this we need more context, i.e., which concrete example are you discussing?
 
LagrangeEuler said:
##x## and ##y## are not matrices in coordinate representation.
But they are matrices in any other representation, e.g. momentum representation. And even in coordinate representation they can be viewed as matrices, but in this representation calculations can be simplified by viewing them as ordinary numbers.
 
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vanhees71 said:
To explain this we need more context, i.e., which concrete example are you discussing?
For instance 2d linear harmonic oscillator with this perturbation.
 
I'm confused by your confusion.

A 1d quantum system "lives" in a Hilbert space ##\mathcal{H}_{x}## that is spanned by linear combination of base kets of the form ##\left|x\right\rangle##. You can also have another independent degree of freedom living in a Hilbert space ##\mathcal{H}_{y} ## with base kets of the form ##\left|y\right\rangle ##. Then, you can combine both degrees of freedom into a Hilbert space ##\mathcal{H}_{xy}=\mathcal{H}_{x}\otimes\mathcal{H}_{y}##, that is how the Hilbert space of a 2d quantum system is build. The base kets are of the form ##\left|xy\right\rangle \equiv\left|x\right\rangle \otimes\left|y\right\rangle ##

So ##V'=\alpha xy## is always a shorthand for ##V'=\alpha x \otimes y##, because that's how the operators acting on the Hilbert space of 2d quantum systems are build, by definition.

See Cohen-Tannoudji, quantum mechanics, vol 1, page 160.
 
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