Tensors Questions: Seeking Guidance

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The discussion revolves around tensor calculus, specifically converting tensors between coordinate systems and manipulating them using metrics. The original poster is attempting to find the second covariant coordinate of a tensor in cylindrical coordinates and to compute a specific component of a tensor using a given metric.

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  • The original poster attempts to convert the tensor components from Cartesian to cylindrical coordinates and questions how to properly apply the metric for the second part of the problem. Some participants discuss the need to multiply the tensor by the metric and its inverse, while others express uncertainty about the notation and the correct approach to the calculations.

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Some participants have made progress on the first part of the problem but are still seeking clarity on the second part regarding the computation of A21. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the use of metrics and tensor operations, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Hi,

Homework Statement


I recently started delving into tensor calculus and am quite the stuck with the following:
Given the tensor Ai = (x+y, y-x, z)i in cartesian coordinates, what would be the second covariant coordinate in cylindrical coordinates?
AND
Given the tensor Aij = (-1 0, -1 1)ij and the metric gij = (2 3, 3 4)ij, what would be A21?

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First, aren't I actually expected to find y-x in cylindrical coordinates, which is rsinθ - rcosθ? I have found the metric to be (1 0 0, 0 r2 0, 0 0 1), but I am really not sure how to put all the pieces together and how to proceed.
Next, for finding A21 won't I actually need to multiply the given matrix by the metric and its inverse, thus yielding a similar matrix as the original?
I could use some guidance, please.
 
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I have managed to answer the first part. Now I am mainly stymied by the second, viz. how to find A21. Could anyone please help?
 
peripatein said:
I have managed to answer the first part. Now I am mainly stymied by the second, viz. how to find A21. Could anyone please help?

Contract twice?: $$ g^l_i g^j_k A^k_l = A^i_j$$ not entirely sure I understand the problem you've posed.

Which is what I think you said, you'll have ## g_{il} g^{jk} ## i.e. the metric and its inverse times the (1,1) tensor. I think I'd write out the summation instead of matrix multiplication, though, because ##g_{il}g^{jk} = \left(\begin{array}{ccc}1&0&0\\0&1&0\\0&0&1\end{array}\right) ## seems almost too easy and it's 4 in the morning and I'm ready for sleep, not more math.
 
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What I first got, albeit did not write it here, was g1jg2jAjAj. Does that agree with what you wrote as the solution?
 
peripatein said:
What I first got, albeit did not write it here, was g1jg2jAjAj. Does that agree with what you wrote as the solution?
I don't think so, but I'm inclined to say no because you need the metric acting on the (1,1) tensor twice. Your notation alone reverts it to two (0,1) tensors with only one summation. I need sleep but I'm off tomorrow, so I'll give it some thought if you haven't figured it out all the way, I can write write it out..

cheers
 

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