Tensors: switching between mixed and contravariant components

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The discussion revolves around the manipulation and understanding of mixed and contravariant components of tensors, particularly in the context of the electromagnetic stress-energy tensor. Participants explore the mathematical transformations involved in switching between different types of tensor components, as well as the implications of these transformations in theoretical physics.

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  • One participant presents an equation related to the electromagnetic stress-energy tensor and seeks clarification on the transformation between mixed and contravariant components.
  • Another participant challenges the correctness of the initial equation, suggesting a correction in the indices and providing a detailed explanation of how to manipulate the tensor using the metric tensor.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of mixed tensors, with one participant explaining that they contain both contravariant and covariant indices.
  • Participants discuss the transformation properties of mixed tensors, noting that under transformations, some indices transform covariantly while others transform contravariantly.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the concept of one-forms and their relation to vectors, indicating a gap in understanding despite being in their third year of physics.
  • Recommendations for introductory tensor textbooks are shared, with participants discussing different approaches to learning about tensors, including component and component-free methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and properties of mixed tensors and the importance of understanding index transformations. However, there remains some confusion and differing levels of understanding regarding specific concepts, such as one-forms and the implications of tensor transformations.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the manipulation of indices and the definitions of certain terms, indicating that further clarification may be needed for those less familiar with the topic.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in physics and engineering who are learning about tensor calculus, particularly in the context of electromagnetism and related fields.

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I'm working on the electromagnetic stress-energy tensor and I've found this in a book by Landau-Lifshitz:

<br /> T^{i}_{k} = -\frac{1}{4\pi} \frac{\partial A_{\ell}}{\partial x^{i}} F^{k\ell}+\frac{1}{16\pi}\delta^{k}_{i} F_{\ell m} F^{\ell m}<br />

Becomes:

<br /> T^{ik} = -\frac{1}{4\pi} \frac{\partial A^{\ell}}{\partial x_{i}} F^{k}_{\ell}+\frac{1}{16\pi}g^{ik} F_{\ell m} F^{\ell m}<br />

I was wondering how this work? F^{ik} is the electromagnetic field tensor, A_{\ell} is the potential of the field.
 
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Your first equation cannot be correct, you have switched the free covariant and free contravariant indices on the different sides of the equation. Let me assume that the LHS is instead ##T^k_i##. To obtain the second equation from the first, multiply on both sides with ##g^{in}##:
$$
T^{kn} \equiv g^{in} T^k_i =
-\frac{1}{4\pi} g^{in} F^{k\ell} (\partial_i A_\ell)
+\frac{1}{16\pi} g^{in}\delta^k_i F_{\ell m} F^{\ell m}
$$
Now use ##g^{in}## to raise the ##i## index and use ##A_ \ell B^\ell = A^\ell B_\ell## in the first term as well as ##g^{in} \delta^k_i = g^{kn}## in the second to rewrite this as
$$
T^{kn} =
-\frac{1}{4\pi} F^{k}_{\phantom k \ell} (\partial^n A^\ell)
+\frac{1}{16\pi} g^{kn} F_{\ell m} F^{\ell m}.
$$
Beware! Writing ##F^k_{\ell}## is dangerous. You must keep track of which index was lowered somehow since ##F## is anti-symmetric (which is why I have added the space in the subinex). Renaming ##n \to i## on both sides gives you the relation.

Note that I have used the notation ##\partial_i = \frac{\partial}{\partial x^i}## and ##\partial^i = \frac{\partial}{\partial x_i}##.
 
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Ah yes sorry I made a typo, I should have read my post over more carefully.

Right, I figured it had something to do with g^{in} but I wasn't quite sure, I always forget that I can use dummy indices to multiply through with these things.

I'm still not clear on how g^{in} raises the i index.

I see how the \ell index was swapped, but I'm not sure about the i in the first term.

Thank you for your help.

Edit: Sorry about not keeping track with the mixed indices, I don't even understand them well enough to do that.
 
electricspit said:
I'm still not clear on how g^{in} raises the i index.

This is essentially by definition. If we have a contravariant vector with components ##A^k##, then ##g_{ik} A^k## are the components of a covariant vector, we can call it ##A_i##. In the same way we can relate the components of a covariant vector with those of a contravariant one by ##g^{km}##. The procedure is consistent due to ##g^{km}g_{ik} = \delta^m_i##. The same goes for raising and lowering indices of higher order tensors.

[Edit] For higher order tensors, you raise one individual index using one insertion of the metric. Since the indices generally are not equivalent, it is necessary to keep track of the index order in the original tensor unless it symmetric.
 
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Right but what does a mixed tensor even mean?
 
A mixed tensor is a tensor which is not contravariant or covariant, i.e., its components has both contravariant and covariant indices. If you are familiar with the nomenclature "tensor of type ##(n,m)##", a mixed tensor is a tensor of type ##(n,m)##, where both ##n## and ##m \geq 1##. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_tensor
 
So under specific transformations it acts in different ways?
 
Under any transformations, some indices of a mixed tensor will transform covariantly and others contravariantly.
 
I'd just go read the Wikipedia articles on this but I have and they were slightly confusing.

What is the importance of the distinction between the two?
 
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My first tensor book is Tensor Calculus by Kay. Very good for introduction. There are many which starts from even a simpler baseline.
The second one is Synge and Schild.
Try them!
(note: isn't this suppose to be in the calculus page?)
 
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electricspit said:
I'd just go read the Wikipedia articles on this but I have and they were slightly confusing.

What is the importance of the distinction between the two?

Thinking about it in terms of transformations of components, the components of a (n,m) tensor transform this way:

$$T'^{~i...}_{~~~~n...}=T^{a...}_{~~~q...}\frac{\partial x'^i}{\partial x^a}...\frac{\partial x^q}{\partial x'^n}$$

The contravariant indices transform with contravariant factors (primes above) and covariant indices transform with covariant factors (primes below).

Thinking about it in more geometric terms, a (n,m) tensor is a multi-linear function of n one-forms and m vectors into real numbers. It accepts n one-forms as arguments and m vectors as arguments and returns one single number:

$$T(\tilde{\omega},...,\vec{q},...)=T^{i...}_{~~n...}\omega_i...q^n... $$
 
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Right so thanks to TSC for the recommendation.

Matterwave:

I have no idea what a one form is. I feel like in my 3rd year of physics I should know?
 
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A one form is simply the dual to vectors. It is a linear function of vectors into numbers. In the old language it is called a covariant vector.
 
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Do you have any book recommendations on this subject? I don't know what dual means really.
 
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There are 2 approaches to learning tensors. The component approach and the component-free approach.
In general for physics and engineering students, the component approach is easier to start with. The one-form is the component-free approach.
The 2 books I recommend is the component approach. It is better, I think, for your purpose.(covariant electromagnetism)
 
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