Terminal velocity and g-forces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of g-forces, particularly in the context of terminal velocity and free fall. Participants explore the relationship between acceleration, net forces, and the sensations experienced by objects and individuals under various conditions, including skydiving and standing on the ground.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the definition of g-forces, questioning how a skydiver at terminal velocity can experience 1g when the net force is zero and acceleration is absent.
  • Another participant suggests that while the net force may be zero at terminal velocity, opposing forces such as gravity and aerodynamic drag are still present, contributing to the sensation of weight.
  • A different viewpoint clarifies that g-force typically refers to apparent weight divided by actual weight, indicating that an object at constant velocity still experiences a g-force of 1, as its apparent weight equals its actual weight.
  • One participant introduces a thought experiment involving acceleration in a deep space environment to illustrate how g-forces can be experienced in different contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of g-forces in relation to terminal velocity and free fall. Multiple competing views remain regarding the definitions and experiences of g-forces in different scenarios.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of apparent weight versus actual weight, and how these relate to the sensation of g-forces in various states of motion. The discussion also touches on the complexities of inertial reference frames, which some participants find challenging.

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Hi,

I need a little help with my understanding of g-forces. From what I can gather, this "force" is the acceleration experienced by the object expressed as a multiple of g (the usual acceleration due to gravity).

What has confused me, though, is the Wikipedia page, which says that "A sky-diver in a stable free-fall experiences 1g (full weight) after reaching terminal velocity". At terminal velocity, isn't the net force zero, and the velocity constant (therefore no acceleration)? Wouldn't that mean that the g-force is 0g? The article also states that an object in free fall (which is falling at 1g relative to the earth) experiences 0g, or weightlessness. Similarly, what is the g-force of an object which is at rest (relative to the earth, I guess)?

It's a very basic physics course, so the stuff about inertial reference frames goes a bit beyond our level of comprehension. Can someone please help me get this straight? I *think* I'm considering this relative to the earth, when they're considering it as relative to something else. Do we need to consider forces aside from the regular gravitational acceleration somehow?

Thanks
 
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Hint; as yuo sit at your 'puter, you experience 1g of acceleration. If yu were sitting in a room that is in deep space (no nearby objects), and that room were accelerating in the direction of the cieling, yuo would exprience the same g-force. Think about where that g-force would be experienced by you, and what object in the room would be exerting that force against you. That should start your brain in the direction Wiki was talking about.
 
Parthalan said:
What has confused me, though, is the Wikipedia page, which says that "A sky-diver in a stable free-fall experiences 1g (full weight) after reaching terminal velocity". At terminal velocity, isn't the net force zero, and the velocity constant (therefore no acceleration)? Wouldn't that mean that the g-force is 0g?
If the net force is zero, it simply means there's no acceleration. This doesn't mean that there aren't opposing forces that a person can feel. If you're standing on the ground, gravity is pulling down on you throughout your body, and the ground is pushing up against your feet. In the case of a sky-diver at terminal velocity, gravity is pulling down through the sky-divers body, and aerodynamic drag is pushing+pulling upwards on the skydiver. These are opposing forces that can be felt via compression or tension.

In the case of true free-fall, such as bouncing on a trampoline, or in an amusement park ride or in an aircraft creating a "zero g" environment, then there is downwards acceleration due to gravity, but there is no feeling of force since all components of the object (or person) are being accelerated at the same rate (so there's no compression or tension to "feel").
 
The term "g force" almost always refers to apparent weight divided by actual weight, not total force divided by actual weight. Actual weight is simply the force acting on an object due to gravity alone. Apparent weight is the total force acting on the object less the actual weight. An object with a constant velocity (e.g., a skydiver who has reached terminal velocity or a person standing on the surface of the earth) has zero total force acting on it. The apparent weight of the object is not zero: It is equal in magnitude to the actual weight. The g-force is thus one in the case of a non-accelerating object.
 

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