Test the series [ln(n)]^-1 for convergence.

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The discussion revolves around testing the series \(\sum^{\infty}_{n=2} \frac{1}{\ln(n)}\) for convergence, specifically through comparison with the harmonic series.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants consider using a comparison test with the harmonic series, noting that \(\frac{1}{\ln(n)} > \frac{1}{n}\) for \(n \geq 2\). There is discussion about whether the established comparison sufficiently demonstrates divergence and if there are simpler expressions for this divergence.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confidence in the divergence conclusion based on the comparison with the harmonic series, while others reflect on the implications of starting the series at different indices. The conversation indicates a productive exploration of the topic, with participants sharing insights and questioning the robustness of their reasoning.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the harmonic series diverging regardless of the starting index, prompting participants to consider the implications of this on their original series. The discussion also touches on the nature of infinite series and the impact of removing a finite number of terms.

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Homework Statement

Test the series [tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=2} \frac{1}{ln\left(n\right)}[/tex] for convergence.

The attempt at a solution

My thoughts are a comparison test with the harmonic series. It's clear that 1/ln(n) > 1/n for [tex]n \geq 2[/tex]. This implies that

[tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=2} \frac{1}{ln\left(n\right)} \geq \sum^{\infty}_{n=2} \frac{1}{n} = \left(\sum^{\infty}_{n=2} \frac{1}{n}\right) + 1 - 1 = \left(\sum^{\infty}_{n=1} \frac{1}{n}\right) - 1[/tex]Is it sufficient to say that

[tex]\left(\frac{1}{ln\left(2\right)} - \frac{1}{2}\right) + \left(\frac{1}{ln\left(3\right)} - \frac{1}{3}\right) + \cdots + \left(\frac{1}{ln\left(N\right)} - \frac{1}{N}\right) \geq 1[/tex]

for some integer N (I think N=3 or 4...have to check again), so that

[tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=2} \frac{1}{ln\left(n\right)} \geq \sum^{\infty}_{n=1} \frac{1}{n}[/tex]

and so the series must diverge. This makes sense but I wonder if there is a simpler way to express the divergence.
 
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buffordboy23 said:
Homework Statement

Test the series [tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=2} \frac{1}{ln\left(n\right)}[/tex] for convergence.

The attempt at a solution

My thoughts are a comparison test with the harmonic series. It's clear that 1/ln(n) > 1/n for [tex]n \geq 2[/tex]. This implies that

[tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=2} \frac{1}{ln\left(n\right)} \geq \sum^{\infty}_{n=2} \frac{1}{n} = \left(\sum^{\infty}_{n=2} \frac{1}{n}\right) + 1 - 1 = \left(\sum^{\infty}_{n=1} \frac{1}{n}\right) - 1[/tex]
What you have above is all you need. The harmonic series diverges, and so does the same series with the first term removed. You have established that your series is term-be-term larger than the corresponding terms of the harmonic series (minus its first term), so your series diverges as well.
buffordboy23 said:
Is it sufficient to say that

[tex]\left(\frac{1}{ln\left(2\right)} - \frac{1}{2}\right) + \left(\frac{1}{ln\left(3\right)} - \frac{1}{3}\right) + \cdots + \left(\frac{1}{ln\left(N\right)} - \frac{1}{N}\right) \geq 1[/tex]

for some integer N (I think N=3 or 4...have to check again), so that

[tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=2} \frac{1}{ln\left(n\right)} \geq \sum^{\infty}_{n=1} \frac{1}{n}[/tex]

and so the series must diverge. This makes sense but I wonder if there is a simpler way to express the divergence.
 
Mark44 said:
What you have above is all you need. The harmonic series diverges, and so does the same series with the first term removed. You have established that your series is term-be-term larger than the corresponding terms of the harmonic series (minus its first term), so your series diverges as well.

Thanks for the feedback. What a trivial problem. I thought this was true, but it just didn't seem "strict" enough for proof.

So this suggests to me that the harmonic series is divergent for any starting index, say, n = 10^9, as n approaches infinity. This thought seems even more sketchy than the conventional n = 1 index on first appearance. I will work it out to see it, since it's been awhile since I did this stuff.
 
So this suggests to me that the harmonic series is divergent for any starting index, say, n = 10^9, as n approaches infinity. This thought seems even more sketchy than the conventional n = 1 index on first appearance. I will work it out to see it, since it's been awhile since I did this stuff.
Yes, that's right. The thing is that although 10^9 seems pretty large, infinity is very much larger. The basic idea is that you can lop a finite number of terms from the beginning of a series without changing its basic behavior.
 

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