Testing the pyroelectric effect

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The discussion revolves around the testing of the pyroelectric effect in LiTaO3 crystals. Participants explore potential reasons for the lack of detected pyroelectric voltage during heating, considering various aspects of the experimental setup and the properties of the crystal.

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  • One participant reports not detecting any pyroelectric voltage from the LiTaO3 crystal when heated, suggesting possible issues with the setup, the crystal's structure, or other factors.
  • Another participant references a specific measurement technique, the Byer and Roundy method, for direct measurement of the pyroelectric coefficient.
  • Questions are raised about the integrity of the circuit, including whether resistance can be measured across the probes and the expected voltage based on the heating rate.
  • It is noted that the correct crystal axis must be used for measurement, as each axis has a different response, and that a voltmeter may not effectively measure the output due to loading effects.
  • Suggestions are made to use a charge amplifier or an electrometer amplifier to accurately measure the output from the crystal, with specific op-amps recommended for this purpose.

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Participants express various viewpoints regarding the experimental setup and measurement techniques, indicating that there is no consensus on the cause of the lack of detected voltage or the best approach to resolve the issue.

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Participants mention the possibility of the crystal being polycrystalline, which could affect resistance and voltage output. There are also concerns about the impact of measurement tools on the readings, highlighting the need for appropriate instrumentation.

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Hey all,

I bought some LiTaO3 crystals in order to test the pyroelectric effect. Unfortunately I am not detecting any pyroelectric voltage during heating.

According to the vendor, the Z-axis is lengthwise as shown in the attached diagram. I then put the crystal between two metal electrodes, with both ends going to an oscilloscope. The crystal is then heated with a hot air gun. The oscilloscope is giving a real time output of 0V (apart from background noise).

Any suggestions on what the problem might be? Chemical analysis by our labs confirmed the crystal to be LiTaO3. If it is not producing any voltage during heating, it could be either my setup is wrong, the crystal is polycrystalline or something I haven't thought of.

Is there any difference between LiTaO3 crystals sold for the pyroelectric vs. piezoelectric effect?

Thanks.
 

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Some thoughts:
  • Are you sure you have a circuit? Can you measure a resistance across your probes?
  • Given the specifics of your crystal and the rate that you increase the temperature, how much voltage do you expect to see?
  • If you suspect it is polycrystalline, is the resistance greater than the resistance of a single crystal?
 
In order to read a Piezoelectric transducer, you need to apply your input to the correct crystal axis. Each axis has a different response, ranging from maximum to minimum or zero. Then you need to take the signal from the correct axis. I don't remember which axis that is. And third, a voltmeter will not measure the crystal output because even a 10 Meg input impedance loads it down so much that there is no signal left.

You need a charge amplifier to measure the output of a piezoelectric crystal. I have had good experience with both PCB (www.pcb.com) and Kistler (www.kistler.com) instrumentation.
 
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As mentioned above, an oscilloscope input will short circuit the electrostatic voltage. You need an electrometer amplifier as a buffer between the crystal and the oscilloscope input.

If you want to build an electrometer buffer amplifier for your oscilloscope you will need to use low leakage circuit techniques, with the chip on it's back, "dead ant" style, insulated by air, not built on an etched PCB.

There are a many op-amps to select from;
1. I would try a TI op-amp LMC6041 which is low-cost and is listed as having typically a 2 fA input current. It runs on 15 uA so it can be battery powered. It is available from digikey.com for about $5.
2. Alternatively, the Analog Devices ADA4530 is purpose built for electrometer amplifiers but requires more power supply current, digikey price is about $50.
3. Also an outside possibility, using more power supply current but being faster, the Linear Technology LTC6268/LTC6269, digikey price is about $15.
 
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