Textbook picture: Is direction of this eddy current wrong?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the depiction of eddy currents in a high school textbook, specifically questioning the correctness of the current direction shown in the illustrations related to Lenz's law. Participants explore the implications of these illustrations on understanding eddy currents and the conventions used in representing current flow.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants believe the direction of the induced current is incorrect in both scenarios presented in the textbook.
  • One participant notes that while the flux due to the induced current is in the correct direction, the current itself is depicted incorrectly.
  • Concerns are raised about the representation of magnetic flux lines, with one participant suggesting that they should be broken rather than full.
  • There is a discussion about the convention used for indicating current flow, with some participants questioning whether the textbook refers to electron flow instead of conventional current.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the prevalence of textbooks that adopt the "modern" convention of indicating electron flow, suggesting it could lead to confusion for students transitioning to university-level physics.
  • Another participant agrees that the "modern" textbooks may not be beneficial for students, although they acknowledge that students can adapt to the concept of electron flow being opposite to conventional current.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are issues with the textbook's representation of eddy currents and the conventions used for current flow. However, there is no consensus on the best approach to teaching these concepts or the implications of using different conventions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express concerns about the potential confusion arising from different conventions in textbooks, particularly regarding the representation of current flow and its implications for students' understanding as they progress to higher education.

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Hi.

This is from a high school textbook, in a chapter about eddy currents and Lenz's law. In a), a magnetic field is turned on, in b) it's turned off, which both induces a current in a suspended aluminium ring:
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I think the direction of the current is wrong in both pictures. Any opinions?
 
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Agree with you. Flux (broken lines) due to induced current (if circuit were complete) is in right direction in both cases, but induced current is in wrong direction in both cases.

Other minor nitpicks: (1) Since the conductor is a single loop, not a solenoid, the flux due to the induced current won't be parallel to axis throughout the cross-section, (2) I'd have thought also that the flux lines tightly wrapped around the conductor ought to be broken rather than full, but maybe I'm being stupid here.

Pity, because the artwork is so beautiful.
 
Does the author state the I ( cuurent ) protocol. Perhaps it refers to electron flow.
 
256bits said:
Does the author state the I ( cuurent ) protocol. Perhaps it refers to electron flow.
I've been using this book for almost two years now and only realized now that they indeed indicate the flow of negative charges, i.e. electrons. They don't write the ##I## arrow often, in the DC chapter they write only + and - poles which make it clear (obviously this is not possible for induced currents), which is why it probably took me so long.

I think I see this convention in an increasing number of "modern" school textbooks, probably to make it easier for students to use their mental picture of moving electrons. But are there major university level textbooks or publications that do this as well? None that I know of and I highly doubt there are, since this would mean redefining current density as well and therefore introducing minuses in the fourth Maxwell equation and the continuity equation, which would just look weird.

So the confusion will start at the latest when those students enter university and probably much earlier when they try and find explanations or exercises on the internet where the other convention is used. I don't think those "modern" textbooks are doing the students much favor...
 
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greypilgrim said:
I don't think those "modern" textbooks are doing the students much favor...

Agree entirely. In my experience students learning electricity for the first time quickly get used to electrons moving in the opposite direction to the conventional current in metals. It's only a minor and temporary nuisance.
 

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