Thanking non-American countries that fought in Afghanistan

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the contributions and sacrifices of non-American countries in the Afghanistan war following the September 11th attacks. Participants reflect on the historical context, the number of casualties from various nations, and the implications of international alliances in military actions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the sacrifices made by soldiers from various countries, including the UK, Canada, and Australia, noting the significant number of casualties.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of recognizing the contributions of allied nations and expresses hope that the US will remember these sacrifices.
  • Another participant questions the nature of international alliances, suggesting that they may be driven by political motives rather than genuine camaraderie.
  • A participant reflects on the obligation of Western nations to support the US in defending freedoms against the threats posed by the September 11th attacks, despite differing political views.
  • Some participants express surprise at the number of countries involved and salute their efforts, while others critique the media's attention to military casualties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion features multiple competing views regarding the motivations behind international military cooperation and the recognition of sacrifices made by soldiers. There is no consensus on the nature of these alliances or the extent to which they are appreciated in the US.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various casualty statistics and historical contexts, but there are no settled definitions or assumptions regarding the implications of these contributions or the nature of international relations.

Pengwuino
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Something that doesn't seem to get brought up enough in this country is the fact that many nations sacrificed and went to war with the United States in Afghanistan to avenge September 11th. Almost 1,000 soldiers from the United Kingdom, Canada, France, and over 20 other countries were killed in Afghanistan. It's good to know that despite our cultural and political differences, we have real allies ready to make the ultimate sacrifice for us and I hope the US will always remember that!
 
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Thank you!
 
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/digger-involved-in-serious-incident-in-afghanistan/story-fn59niix-1226070678432

Since 2002, 30 Australians have been killed while serving in Afghanistan.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/specials/afghanistan/

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-06-03/australias-role-in-afghanistan/1703318

Timeline: Afghanistan's turbulent history
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-06-02/timeline-afghanistans-turbulent-history/1702156

It's important to understand the turbulent history of the region!
 
Astronuc said:
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Since 2002, 30 Australians have been killed while serving in Afghanistan.
. . .

And 157 Canadians.
 
http://icasualties.org/oef/

Australia 29
Belgium 1
Canada 157
Czech 4
Denmark 42
Estonia 8
Finland 2
France 75
Georgia 10
Germany 53
Hungary 7
Italy 39
Jordan 2
Latvia 3
Lithuania 1
NATO 6
Netherlands 25
New Zealand 3
Norway 10
Poland 29
Portugal 2
Romania 19
South Korea 1
Spain 33
Sweden 5
Turkey 2
UK 380
US 1762

Total 2710

http://icasualties.org/oef/ByYear.aspx
 
I knew there were a lot of countries with a helping hand, but I didn't know there were that many.

To all then, I salute you!
 
Those are the countries we should be doing business with. I don't see China on that list.

Okay, so maybe that comment doesn't take into account certain economic realities, but I'm just saying (because it makes me feel better).
 
Pengwuino said:
It's good to know that despite our cultural and political differences, we have real allies ready to make the ultimate sacrifice for us

International alliance work on kickbacks or threats or political advantage for one's own country or political advantage for the politicians. I wouldn't call it real allies.
The ultimate sacrifice is made by the soldiers not by the politicians who made the decision to go for a war. And the soldiers had to sacrifice their life because they were commanded to go for the war, not because they wanted to.

I hope the US will always remember that!

Highly unlikely. The last helicopter crash in Afghanistan that took 30+ American soldiers' life could not get the biggest attention on the next day's newspaper. The main news was on the Wall street crash.
 
It is not a popular opinion here in the UK – there are plenty of commentators here who have sought to portray Tony Blair as George Bush’s lap dog – but it has always been clear to me that the UK, and indeed all Western nations, perhaps even all nations that enjoy Western freedoms, had an obligation to stand shoulder to shoulder with the USA against the attack on those freedoms represented by the September the 11th attacks. Whatever the philosophical and political differences many may have with the USA, it is to those freedoms that those responsible for the attacks are ideologically opposed, and if they had their way, we would all lose them. In terms of pure military might, the USA did not particularly need the help of Western European nations, but politically and symbolically, it was extremely important that we were seen to stand together in defence of those freedoms. Indeed, in some ways it could be argued as symbolically important that we have our philosophical and political differences but are unwaveringly united in our opposition to those who seek to suppress freedom and enlightenment.
 

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