The Absurb Trinity Doctrine - embarassament of theology

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Originally posted by CubeX
Remember, your life is your soul. Now, since you posted this, have you heard of someone dieing and then be brought back to life before?

how about this guy?

 

[TENYEARS]

You are the first I have ever seen anyone mention this individual anywhere. Interesting choice.

 

[eNtRopY]

I'm not a Christian, but I have to say, comparing the universe to CNC machinery is the absolute dumbest analogy I have ever read in a PF thread. It's also the funniest and a good example of how people tend to glamorize their otherwise boring jobs.

eNtRopY

 

[Dark Wing]

Originally posted by CubeX

Remember, your life is your soul. Now, since you posted this, have you heard of someone dieing and then be brought back to life before? I know you have. I think that 20 minutes is the max recorded though.

But since Jesus was in human form, he DID apply to death. He could die, but the matter is, death was made because of man in the Garden. It was because of sin, correct? Well, did Jesus ever sin? God cannot sin, it is not in His nature.(This statement is going to get a lot from you, I know ). So, in believing that there is a heaven and a hell and that our souls go to either place, we must believe that the same accounted for Him. Now, you might be saying, how can a soul go anywhere? Well, you'd have to die to tell me!
So basically, it's that life leaves the physical body and moves on to either place.

And also, I have heard every-single one of those. You don't have to bring them up. I've been doing this type of thing for 2 years now.

-CubeX

I am presuming that you mean that though his body died, his soul remained. therefore, we have a very diffrent understanding of what happens during death.

To me death is death. we die. we no longer exist. there is no soul that transends to heaven or hell, there is no place that you go that your body cannot, we die. simple as that. we turn to dust, it is at the ressuraction that we come back and judgment happens etc.

so, under my definition of death, there is no way that jesus can be God at all. unless this separate part of God that is also God but with a diffrent charctor can some how ceise to exist. life does not, as far as i understand, move from one place to another, our life is entirly with in our body. "we" stop. life goes back to god, but that is not us. that's just the thing that keeps the body functining, if you want to go into a debate on that passage.

i do not believe in going to heaven or hell when you die, or us going anywhere in death. i believe in dust. if you can show me where in the bible it tells us otherwise, then please post them. i sincerely want to see these passages.

I have also been doing this for a good 4 years or so now. I do not fall into any religion or follow any church. i am a bible scholar and as such am alos a litralist. so anything that you wish to show me would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Another God]

Originally posted by Dark Wing
To me death is death. we die. we no longer exist. there is no soul that transends to heaven or hell, there is no place that you go that your body cannot, we die. simple as that. we turn to dust, it is at the ressuraction that we come back and judgment happens etc.

so, under my definition of death, there is no way that jesus can be God at all. unless this separate part of God that is also God but with a diffrent charctor can some how ceise to exist. life does not, as far as i understand, move from one place to another, our life is entirly with in our body. "we" stop. life goes back to god, but that is not us. that's just the thing that keeps the body functining, if you want to go into a debate on that passage.

OK, so the thing that makes us US is in the body, when we die, we cease. But after this death we come back for the judgement.

I have to ask this: What "Self" is it precisely that comes back? If we are just our body, then what attribute of our body is it exactly, and when, is it that constitutes us? Do you believe our body is stagnant? Or more appropriately, do you believe that our mind is stagnant at some core level? Because without believing that we are born with some sort of core mental aspect which defines us as a person, then you are stuck with the fact that there is no 'self' to face up to judgement. There is only a series of connected mental events. (which form the illusion of self)

Oh, and what do you mean by "Life goes back to god"?

 

[CubeX]

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Yeah, I believe that souls are immortal in their on sense. I also believe that there is also a difference in biological life and spiritual life due to the fact that all creatures possesses biological souls or life. Man however also has a spiritual soul, whether it work with our biological soul, or if our biological soul and spiritual souls are the same, I don't know exactly. So don't ask. But the only question that I can raise about this belief is whether or not a soul that is immortal can be immortal while still have a beginning. That's just something that also goes along with the laws of nature that we know of not relating to God and His being controlled by them. Those laws only relate to this earth, so if indeed God does destroy as He says, then our souls are no longer being controlled by those laws. If you're confused, I don't blame you. I'm not the best with words. But hey, I tried. I'm not your basic conservative Christian in a pew. I believe that God is more than what we give Him credit for. So I explore things. But I wouldn't even believe if it wasn't for looking at the historical accuracy that the Bible has, so I'm different from the start. Hope ya'll are havin fun with this one!

-CubeX

 

[TENYEARS]

Do not stop here. Continue with this line of thinking you are on the edge of infinity. Work through it and have confidence and you will not believe the result. Do not force the answers into the predefined boxes look at what you said and your experiences in life and the people and things around you. Use that also, it may help you with the question.

 

[Another God]

Originally posted by CubeX
I also believe that there is also a difference in biological life and spiritual life due to the fact that all creatures possesses biological souls or life.

You're going to have to tell me what this spiritual life is. I have no idea what you are talking about =)

But I wouldn't even believe if it wasn't for looking at the historical accuracy that the Bible has, so I'm different from the start.

The historical accurcy? The HISTORICAL accuracy? It would want to have historical accuracy wouldn't it? It WAS written back then wasn't it?

Thats it I'm going to write a book:

"On the 11th day of september 2001, 2 planes crashed into the world trade center buildings in New York. And fairies exist!"

You know it's true because it was historically accurate.