The Alkaline Battery inside My Pocket was Red Hot

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The discussion revolves around the unexpected heating of a AAA alkaline battery when placed in a pocket alongside coins and keys. Participants explore the potential causes of this heating, particularly focusing on the possibility of a short circuit created by the conductive materials in the pocket.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the experience of a hot AAA battery and presumes a reaction with a plastic security fob, seeking clarification on the nature of this reaction.
  • Another participant suggests that a conductive path between the battery terminals must have occurred, noting that this is more common with 9V batteries.
  • Several participants agree that the conductive path was likely created by the keys and coins, questioning how the battery could have heated up significantly.
  • One participant introduces Ohm's Law (V = IR) to explain that the low resistance of the keys could lead to a high current, which may have caused the heating.
  • Another participant elaborates on the power dissipation in the keys versus the battery, suggesting that the battery's internal resistance generates more heat, potentially leading to chemical reactions within the battery.
  • A participant provides a detailed calculation involving the battery's dimensions and the Stefan-Boltzmann law to estimate the power radiated by the battery, linking it to the concept of short-circuiting.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the likelihood of the keys and coins maintaining a connection long enough to cause significant heating while walking.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a conductive path likely formed between the battery terminals due to the keys and coins, but there is uncertainty regarding the specifics of how this occurred and the extent of the heating. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact mechanisms and conditions that led to the battery's overheating.

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Some assumptions about the materials and their conductive properties are not fully explored, and the discussion relies on varying interpretations of the battery's behavior under specific conditions.

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I put a AAA alkaline battery in my pocket and later detected warmth. I took the battery out of my pocket and it was very hot. The only other items that I had in my pocket were a few coins and a key ring with keys and one of these plastic security fobs. I can only presume that some kind of reaction occurred between the battery and the security fob.

I would like to know the precise nature of how this reaction occurred, anyone?
 
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McHeathen said:
I put a AAA alkaline battery in my pocket and later detected warmth. I took the battery out of my pocket and it was very hot. The only other items that I had in my pocket were a few coins and a key ring with keys and one of these plastic security fobs. I can only presume that some kind of reaction occurred between the battery and the security fob.

I would like to know the precise nature of how this reaction occurred, anyone?

It would have had to have been a conductive path between the ends of the AAA battery. It's a more common problem with 9V batteries, because both terminals are at one end of the battery. It had nothing to do with the plastic fob.
 
berkeman said:
It would have had to have been a conductive path between the ends of the AAA battery. It's a more common problem with 9V batteries, because both terminals are at one end of the battery. It had nothing to do with the plastic fob.

It was a 1.5v battery. The only things that could have caused the conductive path were my keys and my coins. How did the battery get so hot though?
 
McHeathen said:
It was a 1.5v battery. The only things that could have caused the conductive path were my keys and my coins. How did the battery get so hot though?

I know; AAA alkaline batteries are 1.5V approximately. My point was about the terminal positioning.

So yes, your keys and coins had to have temporarily made a conductive path between the ends of the AAA battery. This shorted the battery, and a large current flowed. That's why it go hot. Try to avoid doing that again, obviously.
 
McHeathen said:
It was a 1.5v battery. The only things that could have caused the conductive path were my keys and my coins. How did the battery get so hot though?

V = IR
The resistance of some metal keys from one end of the battery to another is very low, so the I is quite high.
The limit to the current is the internal resistance of the battery, luckily it probably only shorted for a second or two or the battery might have burnt.
 
mgb_phys said:
V = IR
The resistance of some metal keys from one end of the battery to another is very low, so the I is quite high.
The limit to the current is the internal resistance of the battery, luckily it probably only shorted for a second or two or the battery might have burnt.

If I was high, then why were the metalic items in my pocket not hot?
 
P = I R
The resistance of the keys is small so the power dissipated in them is small, also they will quickly cool down.
The battery has a larger internal resistance and so more heat is generated, also there was enough heat to damage the battery so more heat will have come from chemical reactions in the battery - the battery burning if you like.
 
The battery has a fixed voltage V. If the total resistance in the circuit is R, then the current flowing through the circuit is:

<br /> I = \frac{V}{R}<br />

The total power released in the resistor is:

<br /> P = R \, I^{2} = R \, \frac{V^{2}}{R^{2}} = \frac{V^{2}}{R}<br />

Notice that the power is inversely proportional to the resistance. The maximum power will be released when the resistance is minimal. We cannot make the resistance in the circuit to be less than the internal resistance of the source. This happens when we connect the ends of the source by a wire with negligible resistance. This is called short-circuit. The keys and coins essentially create a short-circuit.

When you say the battery was red hot, I presume it was no more than 60 oC, since anything above that would melt or burn your clothes. The AAA batteries have dimensions 44.5 mm in length and 10.5 mm in diameter. This gives a surface area of the side equal to:

<br /> A = \pi \times 10.5 \, \textup{mm} \times 44.5 \, \textup{mm} = 1.47 \times 10^{3} \, \textup{mm}^{2} = 1.47 \times 10^{-3} \, \textup{m}^{2}<br />

According to Stefan's Law, the intensity of radiation is:

<br /> I = \sigma \, (T^{4} - T_{a}^{4})<br />

where T = 333 \, \textup{K} is the absolute temperature of the surface and T_{a} = 293 \, \textup{K} is the ambient temperature. Here, \sigma = 5.670400(40) \times 10^{-8} \, \textup{W} \, \textup{m}^{-2} \, \textup{K}^{-4} is the Stefan Boltzmann constant. From these figures, we get an intensity of:

<br /> I = 2.79 \times 10^{2} \, \frac{\textup{W}}{\textup{m}^{2}}<br />

The total radiated power is:

<br /> P = 0.41 \, \textup{W}<br />

A current of 0.41 \textup{W}/1.5 \, \textup{V} = 0.27 \, \textup{A} could supply this power and for this, the total resistance in the circuit has to be 1.5 \, \textup{V}/0.27 \, \textup{A} = 5.5 \, \Omega. This indeed corresponds to a short circuit.
 
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LOL yes I see how the battery would have a higher resistance and even tried an experiment with a battery and the keys. The funny thing is that it is hard to imagine due to me walking, how the keys and/or coins could have made a connection with the battery long enough for the heat to occur.
 

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