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It looks like a hollow hemisphere.
No, you're connecting some dots via a confirmational bias. There is really no obvious significance to the shape at all.Huckleberry said:The evidence seems to heavily suggest it. Michelangelo believed the brain was the center of thought. He was an accomplished Renaissance artist who would be familiar with symbolism in art. Biologists concur that the image does indeed resemble a brain of some type. The image of a brain in this context can carry significant meaning. And Michelangelo may have had a personal religious conflict in this regard that would inspire the image.
Besides the first sentence, which one of those statements is untrue? What evidence would one need to make a convincing argument?zoobyshoe said:No, you're connecting some dots via a confirmational bias. There is really no obvious significance to the shape at all.
I happen to have a book of his work. This panel is enlarged and presented on a fold out page. A closer view reveals that the drapery is of a magenta color, and that the odd shapes dangling off the main bulk are distinctly tentacle-like. Since magenta is very close to purple, it is clear to me that this shape is, in fact, a weird purple jellyfish. Clearly, this is an inside joke that Michaelangelo knew would not be appreciated till today.yomamma said:It looks like a hollow hemisphere.
zoobyshoe said:I happen to have a book of his work. This panel is enlarged and presented on a fold out page. A closer view reveals that the drapery is of a magenta color, and that the odd shapes dangling off the main bulk are distinctly tentacle-like. Since magenta is very close to purple, it is clear to me that this shape is, in fact, a weird purple jellyfish. Clearly, this is an inside joke that Michaelangelo knew would not be appreciated till today.
evo said:fear of purple nocturnal roving jellyfish - Porphyronyctotropocnidariazoobiephobia
The truth of each individual statement is not the issue. The issue is the confirmational bias. You have selected a group of statements that tend to confirm your theory, and have excluded anything that might suggest the theory is hollow. Such things include what DocToxyn referred to, our tendency to see patterns in everything. Check all the other panels of the Sistine Chapel. Does he use a similar shape in drapery anywhere else? Could be he just liked that shape for drapery. That sort of thing.Huckleberry said:Besides the first sentence, which one of those statements is untrue? What evidence would one need to make a convincing argument?
Huckleberry said:I don't know why he put the image of God in what appears to be the image of a human (errr, sheep) brain.
The "herd mentality" is more easily derivable from viewing it as a weird, purple jellyfish, which are know to rove, nocturnally, in herds.hypnagogue said:Extending the "finger" theory, perhaps the sheep brain signifies that religious believers are mindless sheep following a herd mentality.
In his last years, Michelangelo renounced all his Neoplatonist ideals in favour of an ascetic piety, and turned away completely from the figurative arts. In one sonnet, he wrote:
"Thus I now know how fraught with error was the fond imagination which made Art my idol and my king, and how mistaken that earthly love which all men seek in their own despite ... no brush, no chisel will quieten the soul."
http://writing.fsu.edu/oow/2003/neoplatfinal.htmIn conclusion, it is possible that Michelangelo incorporated Neoplatonic philosophy into several works of his art. In a few of his artworks, he used figura serpentia and the expression of Neoplatonic ecstasy, which depict the Neoplatonic concept of divine light enrapturing the soul. He linked the physical state of his figures with their moral state, which is another theme in Neoplatonic philosophy. Also, certain interpretations of his artwork express the similarities and differences between Neoplatonism and Christian doctrines.
Evo said:It also reminds me of a heart.
But I'm hungry and the apple is considered the fruit that imparts knowledge in the adam & eve story, so symbolically, an apple would make sense.
You're right, it's a perfect match for a sheep brain! This makes even more of a statement!Moonbear said:Yes, it was looking more like an apple before I ate dinner too.
Here's the picture with an overlay of a sheep brain outline over it, just for fun.
The brain likes to make associations between recognizable images and the abstract. So do artists' brains.DocToxyn said:Upon reading the title and seeing the painting, I can definitely see the "brain" in the image. Of course this is coming from a neuroscientist who also knows that the brain "likes" to make associations between recognizable images and the abstract.
Most people would not. It wasn't until 1990 that someone made the conclusion and brought it into the public eye. But as Moonbear might look at it and see a brain, Michelangelo might as well. He had the anatomical knowledge. He had the artistic capability. And he may have had the religious motive.Moonbear said:If it hadn't been pointed out to you it was the shape of a brain, would you have seen it? I might have, but that's just because I look at and think about brains every day, but would most people?
I don't know about a perfect match, but closer than it is to a human brain. I like your apple idea too. Maybe it's all of the above. He might have just been having some fun painting stuff in just to see if anyone noticed.Evo said:You're right, it's a perfect match for a sheep brain! This makes even more of a statement!![]()
Well, between that green drape and the leg sticking out, those are sort of in the right place. The front foot overlaps well with the optic nerve. The brain I had to create the line drawing from had the optic nerve cut close to the optic chiasm, so you don't really get the effect you would if a longer section of nerve were left intact sort of dangling down.Huckleberry said:The pituitary gland doesn't seem to fit in the overlay. Besides that the shape is very close. What's up with the pituitary gland?
Oh jeez, now all I see is scrotum! Thanks HuckleberryOh, sorry about that. Should I move out of the way?hypatia said:Oh jeez, now all I see is scrotum! Thanks Huckleberry
It is clear that you like the idea, but that doesn't make it the least bit more likely. Find me some quotes where he somehow compares God to the brain. That would make it likely.Huckleberry said:Considering Michelangelo's artistic ability, I think it is likely that he consciously included the brain to accompany the image of God.
So, which is it?Huckleberry said:A scrotum would be another appropriate image of the creation of man. It would also be one that would be far more recognizable to people.
There is no zoobie god. The closest thing we have is ancient hero, Zoobos the Zoobonian. Zoobies look up to him.yomamma said:Was Michealangelo a zoobie? Whos the zoobie god? Is he the same as ours? I have an Idea...