The brain on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel

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The discussion centers around the interpretation of a painting by Michelangelo, specifically its resemblance to a human brain, and its implications in the context of behavioral neuroscience. Participants explore whether Michelangelo intentionally depicted a brain to symbolize intelligence or knowledge, considering his anatomical expertise and the artistic conventions of his time. Some argue that the shape could be coincidental, while others suggest it may reflect deeper themes related to the divine and human consciousness. The conversation also touches on historical beliefs about the brain's function, with references to various philosophers and medical theories from antiquity to the Renaissance. Ultimately, the debate highlights the complexity of interpreting artistic symbolism and the potential for multiple meanings within Michelangelo's work, suggesting that while the brain-like shape is notable, definitive conclusions about the artist's intent remain elusive.
  • #31
It looks like a hollow hemisphere.
 
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  • #32
I can't say for certain that it is a brain. The evidence seems to heavily suggest it. Michelangelo believed the brain was the center of thought. He was an accomplished Renaissance artist who would be familiar with symbolism in art. Biologists concur that the image does indeed resemble a brain of some type. The image of a brain in this context can carry significant meaning. And Michelangelo may have had a personal religious conflict in this regard that would inspire the image.

Certainly not conclusive, but it does suggest to me that it is meant to resemble a brain and is not just a coincidence.
 
  • #33
Huckleberry said:
The evidence seems to heavily suggest it. Michelangelo believed the brain was the center of thought. He was an accomplished Renaissance artist who would be familiar with symbolism in art. Biologists concur that the image does indeed resemble a brain of some type. The image of a brain in this context can carry significant meaning. And Michelangelo may have had a personal religious conflict in this regard that would inspire the image.
No, you're connecting some dots via a confirmational bias. There is really no obvious signifigance to the shape at all.
 
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  • #34
Yet another PF investigation begins! (watch out)
 
  • #35
zoobyshoe said:
No, you're connecting some dots via a confirmational bias. There is really no obvious signifigance to the shape at all.
Besides the first sentence, which one of those statements is untrue? What evidence would one need to make a convincing argument?
 
  • #36
yomamma said:
It looks like a hollow hemisphere.
I happen to have a book of his work. This panel is enlarged and presented on a fold out page. A closer view reveals that the drapery is of a magenta color, and that the odd shapes dangling off the main bulk are distinctly tentacle-like. Since magenta is very close to purple, it is clear to me that this shape is, in fact, a weird purple jellyfish. Clearly, this is an inside joke that Michaelangelo knew would not be appreciated till today.
 
  • #37
zoobyshoe said:
I happen to have a book of his work. This panel is enlarged and presented on a fold out page. A closer view reveals that the drapery is of a magenta color, and that the odd shapes dangling off the main bulk are distinctly tentacle-like. Since magenta is very close to purple, it is clear to me that this shape is, in fact, a weird purple jellyfish. Clearly, this is an inside joke that Michaelangelo knew would not be appreciated till today.

evo said:
fear of purple nocturnal roving jellyfish - Porphyronyctotropocnidariazoobiephobia

memories...
 
  • #38
Huckleberry said:
Besides the first sentence, which one of those statements is untrue? What evidence would one need to make a convincing argument?
The truth of each individual statement is not the issue. The issue is the confirmational bias. You have selected a group of statements that tend to confirm your theory, and have excluded anything that might suggest the theory is hollow. Such things include what DocToxyn referred to, our tendency to see patterns in everything. Check all the other panels of the Sistine Chapel. Does he use a similar shape in drapery anywhere else? Could be he just liked that shape for drapery. That sort of thing.
 
  • #39
Huckleberry said:
I don't know why he put the image of God in what appears to be the image of a human (errr, sheep) brain.

Extending the "finger" theory, perhaps the sheep brain signifies that religious believers are mindless sheep following a herd mentality. Or perhaps the sheep brain is meant to reflect the symbol of the lamb in Christianity.

Seriously though, I don't think I'd put much stock in this. As zooby mentioned, drapery was a common element of paintings in those days, and the amorphous, blobby shapes they take makes them sort ambiguous looking and hence open to projective interpretation, like an ink blot. (Maybe this is a painting about life, and the drapery is supposed to be an amoeba?) This reminds me of those cases where someone bows in awe to a potato or something because it looks like the virgin Mary. Our brains are naturally wired to recognize patterns and also to search for meaning, which can lead to some compelling but ultimately empty illusions.
 
  • #40
hypnagogue said:
Extending the "finger" theory, perhaps the sheep brain signifies that religious believers are mindless sheep following a herd mentality.
The "herd mentality" is more easily derivable from viewing it as a weird, purple jellyfish, which are know to rove, nocturnally, in herds.
 
  • #41
It's an apple. Look at it. Look in the top right corner, do you see the stem? You guys do know it's an apple, right?
 
  • #42
I doubt the shape of the brain had anything to do with a herd mentality. :smile: If it really is supposed to be a brain, it could just be that people of the time were simply more familiar with the shape of a sheep brain, having likely eaten the things, or it just might not have fit within the overall painting to have a shape that was too realistic of a human brain. The elongation seems necessary for the overall composition.

Does anyone know where people of the time thought the soul resided, or particularly Michaelangelo? I'm wondering if this could be symbolic of the residence of God within the human soul, if it was thought the soul was in the brain.

And I have to also agree with Zooby and DocToxyn that this could also just as easily be us seeing shapes in the clouds. We have a tendency to see what we want to see sometimes. If it hadn't been pointed out to you it was the shape of a brain, would you have seen it? I might have, but that's just because I look at and think about brains every day, but would most people?
 
  • #43
It also reminds me of a heart.

But I'm hungry and the apple is considered the fruit that imparts knowledge in the adam & eve story, so symbolically, an apple would make sense.
 
  • #44
A potato that looks like the Virgin Mary was not created by the human mind of a master sculptor. Considering Michelangelo's artistic ability, I think it is likely that he consciously included the brain to accompany the image of God. Symbolism in art is very common, especially during the Renaissance period.

This site suggests that Michelangelo at one time was a neoplatonist. This does not fit well with the standard christian philosophy of good and evil. He may have worked this concept into his art, as many artists of that era did.
In his last years, Michelangelo renounced all his Neoplatonist ideals in favour of an ascetic piety, and turned away completely from the figurative arts. In one sonnet, he wrote:

"Thus I now know how fraught with error was the fond imagination which made Art my idol and my king, and how mistaken that earthly love which all men seek in their own despite ... no brush, no chisel will quieten the soul."

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/5600/renart.html
http://www.answers.com/topic/neoplatonism

Somebody's term paper. Interesting, and looks well documented.
In conclusion, it is possible that Michelangelo incorporated Neoplatonic philosophy into several works of his art. In a few of his artworks, he used figura serpentia and the expression of Neoplatonic ecstasy, which depict the Neoplatonic concept of divine light enrapturing the soul. He linked the physical state of his figures with their moral state, which is another theme in Neoplatonic philosophy. Also, certain interpretations of his artwork express the similarities and differences between Neoplatonism and Christian doctrines.
http://writing.fsu.edu/oow/2003/neoplatfinal.htm
 
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  • #45
Evo said:
It also reminds me of a heart.

But I'm hungry and the apple is considered the fruit that imparts knowledge in the adam & eve story, so symbolically, an apple would make sense.
:smile: Yes, it was looking more like an apple before I ate dinner too. :biggrin:

Here's the picture with an overlay of a sheep brain outline over it, just for fun.
 

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  • #46
Moonbear said:
:smile: Yes, it was looking more like an apple before I ate dinner too. :biggrin:

Here's the picture with an overlay of a sheep brain outline over it, just for fun.
You're right, it's a perfect match for a sheep brain! This makes even more of a statement! :-p
 
  • #47
DocToxyn said:
Upon reading the title and seeing the painting, I can definitely see the "brain" in the image. Of course this is coming from a neuroscientist who also knows that the brain "likes" to make associations between recognizable images and the abstract.
The brain likes to make associations between recognizable images and the abstract. So do artists' brains.
Moonbear said:
If it hadn't been pointed out to you it was the shape of a brain, would you have seen it? I might have, but that's just because I look at and think about brains every day, but would most people?
Most people would not. It wasn't until 1990 that someone made the conclusion and brought it into the public eye. But as Moonbear might look at it and see a brain, Michelangelo might as well. He had the anatomical knowledge. He had the artistic capability. And he may have had the religous motive.

Evo brings up a good point. It kind of does look like an apple, or a heart maybe. Both would be images that could be appropriate in a religous context. What else does it look like?
 
  • #48
Evo said:
You're right, it's a perfect match for a sheep brain! This makes even more of a statement! :-p
I don't know about a perfect match, but closer than it is to a human brain. I like your apple idea too. Maybe it's all of the above. He might have just been having some fun painting stuff in just to see if anyone noticed. :biggrin: I can't believe Dan Brown missed this one in his books. :smile:
 
  • #49
The pituitary gland doesn't seem to fit in the overlay. Besides that the shape is very close. What's up with the pituitary gland?
 
  • #50
Huckleberry said:
The pituitary gland doesn't seem to fit in the overlay. Besides that the shape is very close. What's up with the pituitary gland?
Well, between that green drape and the leg sticking out, those are sort of in the right place. The front foot overlaps well with the optic nerve. The brain I had to create the line drawing from had the optic nerve cut close to the optic chiasm, so you don't really get the effect you would if a longer section of nerve were left intact sort of dangling down.

But, to be honest, if he had included the pituitary, people would have been more likely to think the image included a scrotum than notice that it resembled a brain with a pituitary attached.
 
  • #51
A scrotum would be another appropriate image of the creation of man. It would also be one that would be far more recognizable to people.
 
  • #52
:blushing: Oh jeez, now all I see is scrotum! Thanks Huckleberry
 
  • #53
hypatia said:
:blushing: Oh jeez, now all I see is scrotum! Thanks Huckleberry
Oh, sorry about that. Should I move out of the way?
 
  • #54
Why does danger keep coming to mind?
 
  • #55
Huckleberry said:
Oh, sorry about that. Should I move out of the way?
No, no, it's okay, you can stay right where you are. Well, could you maybe turn to the left a bit? :blushing:
 
  • #56
Watch Out!
 
  • #57
Huckleberry said:
Considering Michelangelo's artistic ability, I think it is likely that he consciously included the brain to accompany the image of God.
It is clear that you like the idea, but that doesn't make it the least bit more likely. Find me some quotes where he somehow compares God to the brain. That would make it likely.

You have also ignored the fact that he used a similarly shaped drapery in the deluge panel around a woman's head. You are operating on confirmational bias.
 
  • #58
Huckleberry said:
A scrotum would be another appropriate image of the creation of man. It would also be one that would be far more recognizable to people.
So, which is it?
 
  • #59
Was Michealangelo a zoobie? Whos the zoobie god? Is he the same as ours? I have an Idea...
 
  • #60
yomamma said:
Was Michealangelo a zoobie? Whos the zoobie god? Is he the same as ours? I have an Idea...
There is no zoobie god. The closest thing we have is ancient hero, Zoobos the Zoobonian. Zoobies look up to him.

Mikey was not a zoobie.
 

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