The Colors of The Moon (Doppler Effect)

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The discussion revolves around the potential detection of the Doppler effect of sunlight reflected by the Moon as observed from the Earth's surface. Participants explore the relevant calculations and technological capabilities related to this phenomenon, considering both theoretical and practical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents calculations regarding the Moon's orbit, average distance, and speed, leading to the question of whether current technology can detect the Doppler effect of sunlight reflected by the Moon.
  • Another participant calculates the ratio v/c and suggests that the resulting wavelength difference is too small to be detectable with current technology.
  • A third participant references narrow lines from the NIST database, implying potential relevance to the discussion.
  • A later reply mentions considerable frequency deviation in electromagnetic communication signals from low-orbiting satellites, suggesting a comparison to the Moon's reflected sunlight.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the detectability of the Doppler effect in this context. While some calculations suggest it may be too small to detect, others point to relevant technologies that could potentially measure such effects.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made in the calculations, such as the simplification of the Moon's orbit to a circular path and the dependence on specific technological capabilities that are not fully explored in the discussion.

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Hey guys!

I will pass an illustrated problem, below.
moonlight.JPG


- We know that the solar rays that reach the Moon and Earth are practically parallel;

- We know that the lunar orbit with respect to Earth lasts 27.322 days or 2,360,621 seconds;

- We know that the lunar orbit with respect to the Earth is elliptical;

- We know that 27.322 days the distance between the Moon and Earth varies between 362,600 km and 405,400 km.

In order to simplify our calculations, let us consider an average circular orbit:

[405,400,000 m + 362,600,000 m] / 2 = 384,000,000 m

The perimeter of the average lunar orbit is equal to:

2 * pi * 384,000,000 m = 2,412,743,158 m

The speed of the Moon relative to its average orbit is:

2,412,743,158 m / 2,360,621 s = 1,022.7 m/s

We ask:

Do we have enough technology to detect the Doppler effect of sunlight reflected by the Moon from the Earth's surface?
 
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From your numbers I calculate v/c = 3.4E-6. Balmer spectre of n=3 has wave length of 656 nm would undertake the wave length difference of 2.2 pico meter. I am not good at relevant technologies at all but suppose the effect is too tiny to detect.
 
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There are some narrow lines:
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