The Connectedness of the Graph of a Continuous Map in Hausdorrf Spaces

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The problem involves a continuous map f from a space X to a space Y, focusing on the properties of the graph Γ of the map, defined as the set of ordered pairs (x, f(x)) in the product space X×Y. The questions explore the connectedness of Γ when X is connected and the closedness of Γ in the context of Hausdorff spaces.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of connectedness and continuity, referencing theorems about the image of connected spaces and product spaces. Some express uncertainty about their reasoning and whether their conclusions are valid.
  • There are inquiries about the definitions of Hausdorff spaces and the implications for the graph's properties, particularly regarding neighborhoods and the diagonal in the product space.
  • One participant suggests considering the complement of the diagonal to explore closedness, while others question the assumptions made in their reasoning.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of inverse images of open sets and their implications for the connectedness of X.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning each other's reasoning and exploring different aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of definitions and theorems, but no consensus has been reached on the validity of specific arguments or conclusions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential gaps in their understanding of the implications of continuity and connectedness, as well as the specific properties of Hausdorff spaces. There is also a mention of the challenge of navigating the definitions and theorems relevant to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Let f:X→Y we a continuous map. Let
Γ(x)={(x,f(x))∈X×Y}

a) Show that if X is connected, then Γ is connected.
b) Show that if Y is hausdorrf then Γ is a closed subset of X×Y.

Homework Equations


thm: if X is connected the image of a continuous map f:X→Y is connected.
thm: The product space of two connected spaces is connected.
thm: X is hausdorrf iff the diagonal is closed (?)
def: A space is hausdorrf if each pair of distinct points have neighborhoods that are disjoint.

The Attempt at a Solution



a) Since f:X→Y is continuous, the image is going to be connected. Therefore image(f(X))\subset Y is connected. Also given two connected spaces the product space is also connected, therefore X×image(f(X)) is connected. Therefore Γ is connected? This seemed too easy so I am not sure if I left a huge hole here...

b) Y is hausdorrf. Therefore given any points y1≠y2 we can find a disjoint neighborhoods U and V around y1 and y2 respectfully. I also know that the diagonal, D, is closed, {(y,y)|y is in Y}. Not sure what to do next. Maybe consider the complement and try to do a proof similar to the diagonal proof? The complement of D would be open. I don't think Y being hausdorrf implies that f(x1) and f(x2) have disjoint neighborhoods so I'm not sure where to go next.

Edit: *Being Hausdorrf implies that sequences converge to at most one point. *Does this mean that f(x_n) converges to f(x) in this case? *

I don't want any flat out answers, I just want to know what I should be looking for.
Also new here to the physics forums, if my write up is awful please tell me :)
 
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happysauce said:

Homework Statement


Let f:X→Y we a continuous map. Let
Γ(x)={(x,f(x))∈X×Y}

a) Show that if X is connected, then Γ is connected.
b) Show that if Y is hausdorrf then Γ is a closed subset of X×Y.

Homework Equations


thm: if X is connected the image of a continuous map f:X→Y is connected.
thm: The product space of two connected spaces is connected.
thm: X is hausdorrf iff the diagonal is closed (?)
def: A space is hausdorrf if each pair of distinct points have neighborhoods that are disjoint.


The Attempt at a Solution



a) Since f:X→Y is continuous, the image is going to be connected. Therefore image(f(X))\subset Y is connected. Also given two connected spaces the product space is also connected, therefore X×image(f(X)) is connected. Therefore Γ is connected? This seemed too easy so I am not sure if I left a huge hole here...

b) Y is hausdorrf. Therefore given any points y1≠y2 we can find a disjoint neighborhoods U and V around y1 and y2 respectfully. I also know that the diagonal, D, is closed, {(y,y)|y is in Y}. Not sure what to do next. Maybe consider the complement and try to do a proof similar to the diagonal proof? The complement of D would be open. I don't think Y being hausdorrf implies that f(x1) and f(x2) have disjoint neighborhoods so I'm not sure where to go next.

Edit: *Being Hausdorrf implies that sequences converge to at most one point. *Does this mean that f(x_n) converges to f(x) in this case? *

I don't want any flat out answers, I just want to know what I should be looking for.
Also new here to the physics forums, if my write up is awful please tell me :)

I might have it. consider y≠f(x) then (y,f(x)) is in the complement of Γ. Take y in U and f(x) in V. Since Y is hausdorrf x and f(x) have disjoint nighborhoods in Y. Suppose U\cap V ≠∅ then there exists x=f(x), which is a contradiction, therefore given any ordered pair (y,f(x)) the neighborhood UxV is open in the complement of the graph? Therefore the graph is closed?
 
happysauce said:
a) Since f:X→Y is continuous, the image is going to be connected. Therefore image(f(X))\subset Y is connected. Also given two connected spaces the product space is also connected, therefore X×image(f(X)) is connected. Therefore Γ is connected?
How did you conclude that? It's certainly not true that an arbitrary subset of a connected set is connected.

Try working with the definition. Assume \Gamma(X) is disconnected. Then \Gamma(X) is the disjoint union of two open sets U and V. What can you say about the inverse images, \Gamma^{-1}(U) and \Gamma^{-1}(V), of these sets?
 
jbunniii said:
How did you conclude that? It's certainly not true that an arbitrary subset of a connected set is connected.

Try working with the definition. Assume \Gamma(X) is disconnected. Then \Gamma(X) is the disjoint union of two open sets U and V. What can you say about the inverse images, \Gamma^{-1}(U) and \Gamma^{-1}(V), of these sets?

I concluded this with a theorem from my book. "The image of a connected space under a continuous map is connected." So I thought maybe given X is connected the image of f was connected, and I just threw in the subset of Y because every point in the graph is an element in XxY.

And to answer your question.
Γ−1(U) and Γ−1(V) are disjoint and open in X?
 
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happysauce said:
I concluded this with a theorem from my book. "The image of a connected space under a continuous map is connected." So I thought maybe given X is connected the image of f was connected, and I just threw in the subset of Y because every point in the graph is an element in XxY.

And to answer your question.
Γ−1(U) and Γ−1(V) are disjoint and open in X?

Actually since this is the inverse image of f, then wouldn't that mean that Γ−1(U) and Γ−1(V) are disjoint and open in X and their union is the whole space X? Contradicting the fact that X was connected?
 

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