The Contrary Laws of Reflection

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomena of color, reflection, and light absorption, particularly in the context of how colored objects interact with different wavelengths of light. Participants explore the implications of these interactions and the limitations of human perception in interpreting them.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes confusion regarding the behavior of a red object when illuminated by a green laser, suggesting it should absorb all light but instead reflects green light.
  • Another participant argues that no object is a perfect absorber, indicating that a red apple reflects more red light than other wavelengths but does not absorb all non-red light.
  • A question is posed about whether the percentage of light absorbed is proportional to the amount of light falling on an object or if it is predetermined for the object.
  • Concerns are raised about the relationship between light absorption and perceived brightness, with one participant suggesting that the human eye's sensitivity to different wavelengths complicates this relationship.
  • One participant asserts that the proportion of light reflected does not change with the amount of light falling on it, unless extreme conditions alter the surface properties.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for objective measurements, such as UV-VIS experiments, to avoid the biases of human perception.
  • A later reply questions the initial premise by asking for clarification on what "contrary" laws of reflection are being referenced.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between light absorption, reflection, and human perception. There is no consensus on the nature of these interactions or the implications for understanding color and reflection.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in human color vision and the complexity of light interactions, suggesting that assumptions about light absorption and reflection may not hold universally. The discussion also highlights the potential for varying interpretations based on individual perception.

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So, I was just working out on color and reflection but then turned a little bit confused. The main phenomenon we study everywhere is that a colored object absorbs light of all wavelengths excepting the light of its own color. Then comes the problem. As per that, if I beam a GREEN LASER on a RED object, it must have absorbed all the light. But this is not what happens, the Green light of laser is reflected in all of the directions and can be seen from many positions.

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No object is a perfect absorber of any wavelength, let alone a broad range. A black piece of paper merely absorbs a much larger percentage of the incoming light than a white piece of paper. The same is true of all other objects. A red apple reflects more light in the red end of the spectrum than the rest, but it does not absorb all of the non-red light falling on it.
 
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Is the percentage of light absorbed proportional to the amount of light falling on it, or the value is predetermined for the object?
 
IATF said:
Is the percentage of light absorbed proportional to the amount of light falling on it, or the value is predetermined for the object?
What is your opinion about that?
Human colour vision is very clever and also very limited at the same time so you cannot rely on what you 'see' to answer your question.
 
I asked this question because we know that anything seems brighter and more detailed in more light, and concluded that that light reflected out could be proportional to light absorbed. What's your opinion towards this?
 
I have no reason to think that the proportion of light reflected from a surface would change according to the amount of light (with the same spectrum) falling on it. That simple relationship could well change if the level of light energy were high enough to alter the surface (e.g. change its temperature to red hot). What your eyes / brain make of a scene is not related in any simple way to the actual situation; the retina is not a simple linear detector, for instance and visual acuity depends upon incident light levels.
My "opinion" is based on standard teaching and personal measurements. Have you read the standard stuff about reflectivity of light? It's always a good idea to start with some reading before asking questions.
 
IATF said:
I asked this question because we know that anything seems brighter and more detailed in more light, and concluded that that light reflected out could be proportional to light absorbed. What's your opinion towards this?

This is not necessarily true, because you are forgetting one thing: the sensitivity of the eye for a particular wavelength.

I wrote about the shortcoming of the human eye as a detector already. It is possible that an incoming light may be in the range that the eye is less sensitive to, while the reflected light is in the range that the eye is more sensitive to. This then will make it appear that the reflected light is brighter than the incident light. While not strictly in the same physics, blacklight reflection is one such example.

The ONLY way to do this objectively (i.e. not to include the shortcoming of our eye into the equation) is to look at UV-VIS-type experiments. Otherwise, you will always be questioned on whether your eye is deceiving you with what you think you saw.

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What laws of reflection are you talking about and how are they "contrary" ?
 

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